A german nursery rhyme, that I just found. I need coffee, desperately.
C-a-f-f-e-e / C-o-f-f-e-e
C-a-f-f-e-e / C-o-f-f-e-e
trink nicht so viel Caffee! / Don't drink so much coffee
nicht fÃ¼r Kinder ist der TÃ¼rkentrank / Not for children is this Turkish drink
schwÃ¤cht die Nerven / Weakens your nerves
macht dich blaÃŸ lassen und krank / makes you pale and sick
Sei doch kein Muselmann / Don't be a Muslim
der das nicht lassen kann! / who cannot leave it
Maybe I get this?
I think the first line is "Don't drink so much coffee!"
Oh, NICE. I see Herr Hering spells out C-A-F-F-E-E in musical notes. Just like Bach!
Racism in societies is deep and broad and ancient, have a look at this: Aesop's Fables, translated by Laura Gibbs (2002) 521. HERMES AND THE ARABS Hermes filled a cart with lies and dishonesty and all sorts of wicked tricks, and he journeyed in this cart throughout the land, going hither and thither from one tribe to another, dispensing to each nation a small portion of his wares. When he reached the land of the Arabs, so the story goes, his cart suddenly broke down along the way and was stuck there. The Arabs seized the contents of the cart as if it were a merchant's valuable cargo... http://www.mythfolklore.net/aesopica/oxford/521.htm
Hakim, why does "Muselmann" suggest a racist stereotype, rather than a religious one?
What's wrong with being pirates? Even Muhammad raided byzantine and qurayshi cargo after he fled to Yathrib. That's what ya gotta do to survive, aint' no shame in the game. Aesop is alright, lay off PC nazis
AIG It is easy to lay off Aesop, who is long dead and quite possibly did not exist. A bit of piracy may be ok between friends. This fable is not about piracy though. It is about racial charaecterisation / fear /abuse. Please read the linked page before you make up your mind. The rules of public discourse and popular culture are obviously different now in multi racial societies and an interconnected world. I doubt very much that this fable will find a place in the Arabic edition. Gerry I think in Herr Hering's time religious and racial identity of the Turks would be rolled into one 'other'. And it would mean one and the same thing to his audience.
Here is some more Arab bashing, this time by Firdausi, commissioned by Mahmud of Ghazni to write an epic poem on the history of Iranian kings. Ø¨Ø´ÛŒØ±Ù Ø´ØªØ±Ø®ÙˆØ±Ø¯Ù† Ùˆ Ø³ÙˆØ³Ù…Ø§Ø± Ø¹Ø±Ø¨ Ø±Ø§ Ø¨Ø§ÛŒÙ†Ø¬Ø§ Ø±Ø³ÛŒØ¯Û Ø§Ø³Øª Ú©Ø§Ø± Ú©Û ØªØ®ØªÙ Ú©ÛŒØ§Ù† Ø±Ø§Ú©Ù†Ø¯ Ø¢Ø±Ø²Ùˆ ØªÙÙˆ Ø¨Ø± ØªÙˆ Ø§Û’ Ú†Ø±Ø®Ù Ú¯Ø±Ø¯Ø§Úº ØªÙÙˆ Ø´Ø§ÛÙ†Ø§Ù…ÛÙ° ÙØ±Ø¯ÙˆØ³ÛŒ 'From the drinking of camel's milk and the eating of lizards, the Arab has progressed to the stage, where he has the nerve to aspire for the throne of the Kayan. It is a black day indeed.' Firdausi in Shahnameh
The assertion that the religious and racial identity of Turks would be part of one "other" to 19th-century Germans requires some support. By the 18th century - let alone the 19th - German-speaking Christians had communicated with, fought with, lived alongside, been governed by, traded with, visited, signed treaties with, and been visited by Turks for hundreds of years. German-speaking universities were the among the earliest European centers of formal study of Arabic, Persian, and Ottoman Turkish. Long before Germany was anything more than a vague cultural notion, German speakers could distinguish between Turks and the various Muslim, Christian, and Jewish populations under Ottoman rule. As Germans could distinguish among Turks and Arabs and Persians, Turks could tell the difference between Prussians, Austrians, and Sicilians. Something analogous to 19th- and 20th-century racism might be present among some of all these peoples, but the notion of a monolithic "other" - or even a series of monolithic "others" - is at best an oversimplification.
basheer shatr khordan o sosmaar? Dear Hakim, Mahmud of Ghazni was thought of in similar terms by the Hindus. He looted Hindu temples and indulged in rape and pillage in his invasions of India, not once or twice but 18 times. I suppose he looted enough to commission this epic poem. Of course I'm forgetting the traditional story that he still shortchanged Firdausi :) Lakshmi Srinivas
Off-topic: Gerry: fair enough, but familiarity with the diversity of the other/others, does not preclude assigning a monolithic label. For instance, the populations of South India had to have been even more familiar with the different kinds of Muslims (Central Asian/Turkic; Persian; Arab; descendants of local converts, etc.), but in more than one South Indian language (e.g. Kannada) the word for Muslim IS "Turk"...
but in more than one South Indian language (e.g. Kannada) the word for Muslim IS “Turk”â€¦ Is that true for Malayam as well? Odd given that most South Indian contact with Muslim groups would have been with Arabs or Persianised Central Asians.
As far as I know that is not true of Malayalam -- I was thinking of Kannada and certain Telugu dialects...
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