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	<description>what is the vertiginous chapati saying to me?</description>
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		<title>By: Dehumanizing the Other IV: Jack Bauer&#8217;s world &#171; The Shape Of The World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dehumanizing the Other IV: Jack Bauer&#8217;s world &#171; The Shape Of The World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 18:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sepoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sepoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t doubt that vengeance isn&#039;t genuine, I question the personal narrative.

&quot;What makes the jihadi education so successful is that it makes people internalize abuse (real, imagined or otherwise) which didn‚Äôt happen to them&quot;

...exactly. Which is why a movie that purports to show us the jihadist p.o.v. needs closer scrutiny. There is whole different morality attached to the paradigm that TWW argues around and one that emerges from the jihadists in the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that vengeance isn&#8217;t genuine, I question the personal narrative.</p>
<p>&#8220;What makes the jihadi education so successful is that it makes people internalize abuse (real, imagined or otherwise) which didn‚Äôt happen to them&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;exactly. Which is why a movie that purports to show us the jihadist p.o.v. needs closer scrutiny. There is whole different morality attached to the paradigm that TWW argues around and one that emerges from the jihadists in the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Dresner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dresner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your little turing test timed out on me, and lost my comment. 



What I was trying to say was that the movie seems to be collapsing the colonial abuse/personal abuse to make a point about the relationship between systemic problems and revenge. 



What makes the jihadi education so successful is that it makes people internalize abuse (real, imagined or otherwise) which didn&#039;t happen to them, but that doesn&#039;t mean that the sense of rage and desire for vengeance isn&#039;t somehow genuine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your little turing test timed out on me, and lost my comment. </p>
<p>What I was trying to say was that the movie seems to be collapsing the colonial abuse/personal abuse to make a point about the relationship between systemic problems and revenge. </p>
<p>What makes the jihadi education so successful is that it makes people internalize abuse (real, imagined or otherwise) which didn&#8217;t happen to them, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that the sense of rage and desire for vengeance isn&#8217;t somehow genuine.</p>
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