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	<description>what is the vertiginous chapati saying to me?</description>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Harry Andrews request regarding who H.G. Meakin was?  He is mentioned in "The Butcher of Amritsar" on page 6 which can be seen here:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=XuQC5pgzCw4C&#38;pg=PA6&#38;lpg=PA6&#38;dq=H.G.+Meakin&#38;source=web&#38;ots=gCn5LNEAKr&#38;sig=p7hTagqtqFVA3ix4TTP4Xu_CnBQ&#38;hl=en&#38;sa=X&#38;oi=book_result&#38;resnum=6&#38;ct=result#PPA6,M1

I have also come across a description of him being from a brewing family from Burton on Trent.  Unfortunately it is always hard to find out about people 150 years later unless you can speak to their living descendents.  I hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Harry Andrews request regarding who H.G. Meakin was?  He is mentioned in &#8220;The Butcher of Amritsar&#8221; on page 6 which can be seen here:</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.ca/books?id=XuQC5pgzCw4C&amp;pg=PA6&amp;lpg=PA6&amp;dq=H.G.+Meakin&amp;source=web&amp;ots=gCn5LNEAKr&amp;sig=p7hTagqtqFVA3ix4TTP4Xu_CnBQ&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=6&amp;ct=result#PPA6,M1" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.ca/books?id=XuQC5pgzCw4C&amp;pg=PA6&amp;lpg=PA6&amp;dq=H.G.+Meakin&amp;source=web&amp;ots=gCn5LNEAKr&amp;sig=p7hTagqtqFVA3ix4TTP4Xu_CnBQ&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=6&amp;ct=result#PPA6,M1</a></p>
<p>I have also come across a description of him being from a brewing family from Burton on Trent.  Unfortunately it is always hard to find out about people 150 years later unless you can speak to their living descendents.  I hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Morcy</title>
		<link>http://www.chapatimystery.com/archives/imperial_watch/legacy_of_colonialism_includes_beer.html#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Morcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure what you're getting at by suggesting that there are beers with colonial origins, since that suggests that there exist beers without colonial origins. I somehow doubt that's the case. We all know about how beer was invented at the dawn of history in Mesopotamia, but did it ever make it all the way to India? But even if it did, isn't the marketing/branding/bottling of beer part of a capitalist enterprise that is inherently colonial? If Kingfisher started in 1857, and was "first," what of the others? 

Perhaps another way of thinking about this: I was at Rajun Cajun many, many years ago. I can't remember if I used to have a typical drink I'd get there with my combo meal, but one day I asked Tushar what would be "authentic" (I didn't say that, but that word highlights the absurdity of my question) to drink along my samosa, parotha, chana masala, etc. He said that a person would probably just drink a Coke. 

How is a beer different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;re getting at by suggesting that there are beers with colonial origins, since that suggests that there exist beers without colonial origins. I somehow doubt that&#8217;s the case. We all know about how beer was invented at the dawn of history in Mesopotamia, but did it ever make it all the way to India? But even if it did, isn&#8217;t the marketing/branding/bottling of beer part of a capitalist enterprise that is inherently colonial? If Kingfisher started in 1857, and was &#8220;first,&#8221; what of the others? </p>
<p>Perhaps another way of thinking about this: I was at Rajun Cajun many, many years ago. I can&#8217;t remember if I used to have a typical drink I&#8217;d get there with my combo meal, but one day I asked Tushar what would be &#8220;authentic&#8221; (I didn&#8217;t say that, but that word highlights the absurdity of my question) to drink along my samosa, parotha, chana masala, etc. He said that a person would probably just drink a Coke. </p>
<p>How is a beer different?</p>
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		<title>By: sepoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sepoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was not suggesting, rather, stating that these beers were introduced into India and Egypt by the colonial enterprise. That is to say, companies originating in the metropole operating branches in the colony for a product aimed squarely at the colonists. These three are not the only ones, by any means. I actually want people to send me other beers that meet the criteria. Of course, I am ignoring "local" breweries - if, any such thing can exist in centuries old muslim dominions where consumption of alcohol is strictly forbidden (*black market withstanding).
As for the Rajun Cajun query, the answer he gave you was about as authentic as his samosa. The proper drink in most cases would be a "Lassi" - a light, yogurt-based drink  made sweet or salty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not suggesting, rather, stating that these beers were introduced into India and Egypt by the colonial enterprise. That is to say, companies originating in the metropole operating branches in the colony for a product aimed squarely at the colonists. These three are not the only ones, by any means. I actually want people to send me other beers that meet the criteria. Of course, I am ignoring &#8220;local&#8221; breweries - if, any such thing can exist in centuries old muslim dominions where consumption of alcohol is strictly forbidden (*black market withstanding).<br />
As for the Rajun Cajun query, the answer he gave you was about as authentic as his samosa. The proper drink in most cases would be a &#8220;Lassi&#8221; - a light, yogurt-based drink  made sweet or salty.</p>
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		<title>By: Morcy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"the answer he gave you was about as authentic as his samosa"?!?

I'm keeping your beer. Way to set off the authenticity pet peeve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the answer he gave you was about as authentic as his samosa&#8221;?!?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m keeping your beer. Way to set off the authenticity pet peeve.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys - I think you are limiting this discussion only to human's view of beer check out the elephants view at the bottom of this article:-

BEER IN THE INDIAN SUBCONTINENT

FIVE MONTH LONG OCEAN VOYAGE WITHOUT REFRIGERATION - CREATION OF INDIA PALE ALE (IPA)

The history of modern brewing in the Indian Sub-continent goes back to the early days of the British Empire - the mid-1700's. The demand for beer in the hot Indian climate by the British administrators and the troops was so great that it led to the creation of a completely new style of beer by George Hodgson in his London brewery - India Pale Ale. India Pale Ale is a strong, highly hopped ale designed to survive the five month ocean voyage to India without spoiling. India Pale Ale was shipped with every voyage to India for over a century and has now become very popular in Britain and North America.

INDIA'S FIRST BREWERY &#038; BEER - LION

In the early 1840's Edward Dyer came from Britain to set up the first brewery in India at Kasauli (later incorporated as Dyer Breweries Ltd. in 1855) in the Himayalan Mountains near Shimla producing India's first beer called "Lion". He set up more Breweries at Solan, Murree, Rawalpindi and Mandalay. Another entrepreneur H G Meakin came to India from Britain and bought the old Shimla and Solan Breweries from Edward Dyer and added more at Ranikhet, Dalhousie, Chakrata, Darjeeling and Kirkee. In 1935, when Burma was separated from India the company was restructured with its Indian assets under the name "Dyer Meakin Breweries Ltd." - as a public company on the London Stock Exchange. Following independence, in 1949, N.N. Mohan took over the management of the company and the name was changed to Mohan Meakin Limited. The company continues to produce beer across India to this day and Lion beer is still available in northern India.

INDIANS TODAY ONLY HAVE LAGER - HOPE FOR A COMEBACK OF IPA

However, nowadays no brewer in India makes India Pale Ale. All Indian beers are either lagers (5% alcohol - such as "Australian" Lager) or strong lagers (8% alcohol - such as the popular "MAX" Super Strong Beer). International Breweries Pvt. Ltd. have recently announced their intention to work with Mohan Meakin Ltd. to produce and launch an India Pale Ale called "Indian IPA" from India's first brewery at Kasauli.

TRADITIONAL RICE BEER - WATCH OUT FOR THE DRUNK &#038; DISORDERLY ELEPHANTS!

In various parts of north-eastern India, traditional rice beer is quite popular. Several festivals feature this nutritious, quite intoxicating, drink as part of the celebrations. The rice is fermented in vats that are sometimes buried underground.

It is quite popular, and not only with humankind. Elephants are known to attack villages, with the primary agenda of raiding these vats and having a good time generally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys - I think you are limiting this discussion only to human&#8217;s view of beer check out the elephants view at the bottom of this article:-</p>
<p>BEER IN THE INDIAN SUBCONTINENT</p>
<p>FIVE MONTH LONG OCEAN VOYAGE WITHOUT REFRIGERATION - CREATION OF INDIA PALE ALE (IPA)</p>
<p>The history of modern brewing in the Indian Sub-continent goes back to the early days of the British Empire - the mid-1700&#8217;s. The demand for beer in the hot Indian climate by the British administrators and the troops was so great that it led to the creation of a completely new style of beer by George Hodgson in his London brewery - India Pale Ale. India Pale Ale is a strong, highly hopped ale designed to survive the five month ocean voyage to India without spoiling. India Pale Ale was shipped with every voyage to India for over a century and has now become very popular in Britain and North America.</p>
<p>INDIA&#8217;S FIRST BREWERY &#038; BEER - LION</p>
<p>In the early 1840&#8217;s Edward Dyer came from Britain to set up the first brewery in India at Kasauli (later incorporated as Dyer Breweries Ltd. in 1855) in the Himayalan Mountains near Shimla producing India&#8217;s first beer called &#8220;Lion&#8221;. He set up more Breweries at Solan, Murree, Rawalpindi and Mandalay. Another entrepreneur H G Meakin came to India from Britain and bought the old Shimla and Solan Breweries from Edward Dyer and added more at Ranikhet, Dalhousie, Chakrata, Darjeeling and Kirkee. In 1935, when Burma was separated from India the company was restructured with its Indian assets under the name &#8220;Dyer Meakin Breweries Ltd.&#8221; - as a public company on the London Stock Exchange. Following independence, in 1949, N.N. Mohan took over the management of the company and the name was changed to Mohan Meakin Limited. The company continues to produce beer across India to this day and Lion beer is still available in northern India.</p>
<p>INDIANS TODAY ONLY HAVE LAGER - HOPE FOR A COMEBACK OF IPA</p>
<p>However, nowadays no brewer in India makes India Pale Ale. All Indian beers are either lagers (5% alcohol - such as &#8220;Australian&#8221; Lager) or strong lagers (8% alcohol - such as the popular &#8220;MAX&#8221; Super Strong Beer). International Breweries Pvt. Ltd. have recently announced their intention to work with Mohan Meakin Ltd. to produce and launch an India Pale Ale called &#8220;Indian IPA&#8221; from India&#8217;s first brewery at Kasauli.</p>
<p>TRADITIONAL RICE BEER - WATCH OUT FOR THE DRUNK &#038; DISORDERLY ELEPHANTS!</p>
<p>In various parts of north-eastern India, traditional rice beer is quite popular. Several festivals feature this nutritious, quite intoxicating, drink as part of the celebrations. The rice is fermented in vats that are sometimes buried underground.</p>
<p>It is quite popular, and not only with humankind. Elephants are known to attack villages, with the primary agenda of raiding these vats and having a good time generally.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry ANDREWS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry ANDREWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But who was H G MEAKIN, and when did he move to India? My interest is associated with Family History.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But who was H G MEAKIN, and when did he move to India? My interest is associated with Family History.</p>
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		<title>By: nikasoffalot</title>
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		<dc:creator>nikasoffalot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it looks like I've stumbled into a real can of worms here. I started out this evening looking for details of my old local in Billericay (England) and ended up in the heart of India!
Interesting topics here though !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it looks like I&#8217;ve stumbled into a real can of worms here. I started out this evening looking for details of my old local in Billericay (England) and ended up in the heart of India!<br />
Interesting topics here though !</p>
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