So, I turn to you, my collective hive brain. Who is this “Dr.” “Prof.” Zaid Hamid? He has, from most accounts, secured a niche similar to Glenn Beck in Pakistani media – combining ultra-nationalism with a taste for finding Zionist or Hindu involvement in the Pakistani sphere. Here he explains, for example, what truths lie behind “conspiracy theories”:
“We are against the Zionist politics of the Brahmanical elite”. Alrighty then. Some other hair-raising stuff here with Ali Azmat.
He is also, through his privately produced program Brass Tacks, engaged in producing historical narratives – from Khalid b. Walid to 1857 – the “War of Independence”. (“More Indians were killed by the British between 1757 and 1857 than at any time in the previous 5000 years”). Naturally, this makes me very, very interested in him, professionally speaking.
The cursory searches on the internets reveal all kind of contestations – he is an agent of ISPR, he is a true Muslim, he is a former acolyte of a claimant to the Prophethood, he is a true Muslim, etc. What I am really interested in, is figuring out his audiences, his appeals to them, and his theories of media (and mediation). His wiki page is no more than a stub. Can we fill this profile up? Can we place him on a scale of Glenn Beck to Yusuf al-Qaradawi?
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Pakistanis psyche as Pakistanis blame everybody for all their problems.
Is not it that civilized world and its accolytes are paying in the same coin by blamming all their troubles originate or will be originating from Pakistan aka safe heaven for terrorism.
I don’t know what to make of this, i’m not accusing just confused. Zahid Hamid seems like the right person at the right time for pakistan, but everything is very shady about his background , some real clarification need to be made. A very interesting analysis I found please read and comment,
http://www.scribd.com/doc/23672211/Zaid-Hamid-s-past-present-a-research-work
Safe havens seem to be dime a dozen :)
“Forget about Yemen. The real terrorist threat exposed by the underwear bomber is in Merry Olde England. ” http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/02/03/londonistan
Speaking of projecting one’s self on others, and since Zaid Hamid is big in antiSemitic myth making. One such myth is the blood libel, which takes us to Cannibalism.
“A spell-binding history of cannibalism in the middle ages: its use as a propaganda tool, and place in Christendom’s self-image; the cannibal as a philosophical hypothetical, and a justification for colonialism; and Richard the Lionheart’s fondness for “Saracen’s head’s all hot” ”
http://www.opendemocracy.net/jen-paton/europe-and-its-cannibals
How attacking and war on others will solve Pakistan’s problem? Zaid hamid’s ideology will lead Pakistan into chaos, poverty and destruction. The society prosrpers having harmony, peace and stability, not from war? The shouting and threats are sign of frustration and weekness, not bravery. Zaid Hamid can shout, threaten, throw missile on any country in theory it will harm nobody, shouting costs nothing, if he wants to see what will happen to Pakistan as a result of his actions then Zaid Hamid should put into practice what he preaches. I can assure you Pakistan will be wiped out from the earth.
Why Arabs are not stuck in the past and progressing because they are confident and have no identity crisis when Pakistanis have neither? Europeans have realised that working togther will make people prosperous and living standard better. Europeans who fought wars, were arch enemies 50 years ago, have forgotten for the benefit of people. People like Zaid Hamid are responsible for their people’s misery and problems. I don’t understand, how he will make Pakistan prosperous, going war with US, Israel and India? What Pakistanis people will gain from war? Does Pakistan have resources to win the war, money and weapons? Why Pakistan could not stand on their feet in 60 years and can’t survive without foreign aid? Pakistanis lives in fools paradise, thinking they are the savior and leader of the Islamic world when they can’t feed their own people and Arabs don’t give a damn what Pakistanis think. How Pakistanis will progress when Pakistan is stuck in the past and lives on borrowed middle ages glory when Arabs have moved long way ahead.
Behoodi,
Ankhon mein dhool jhokna to tum se koi seekay. The simple answer to your baseless assertion is this. Pakistan’s fault was his Islamic heritage. Britain had just finished off Khilafat after years of hardwork. They were not gonna let that hardwork go down the drain by allowing a country created in the name of Islam. So, they supported Hindu India. Hindus NEVER accepted Pakistan because they were dreaming of creating their own IMAGINARY and MYTHICAL state which spans from middleast to Indonesian (yeah right?)
India has not left any bones untunred in breaking Pakistan up. Then through American or British machinations the power got to the hands of the feudal class. and they fucked everything up for Pakistan. They have been responsible for the backwardness of tis country.
Paksitan’s creation was justified. At the very least, we have a homeland to go home to. Just ask the importance of such a homeland from the Jewish diaspora.
Dear Asher,
We are talking about certain people like Zaid hamid in Pakistan or its equal to in India. These people are dreamers, neither Akhand Bharat or Radio Pakistan Delhi is not going to happen, you know it, I know it and they know it. When India or Pakistan can’t provide better living standard to those people which they have already, how they can manage Radio Pakistan Delhi or Akhand Bharat etc. You know better what is happening in Pakistan or how better managed and ruled pakistan is.
Europeans are not responsible for corruption, poverty in India or in Pakistan, it is our politicians or people who support them. If Pakistan considers that it has right to interfere in Afghanistan then no need to point fingers on others, every country would like to safe guard its interests. British supported Hindus? British supported everybody who served their interets, they divide muslims and hindus to rule over India. Americans and Eurpeans suported India after Independence? Check the history, Pakistan was part of American game plan against USSR, not India but Pakistan was member of American military alliances CENTO, CEATO and was rewarded with money. Nothing is free, if you want money, you have to give back something. There was no land reform in Pakistan, are Europeans responsible for that?
India worked hard to break Pakistan? Well, Pakistan started it in 1948 in Kashmir, every country has right to fight back and Pakistan does too. I am not disputing creation of Pakistan, now you have Pakistan, why don’t you work hard to make Pakistan a developed and progressive country. Does India claim any Pakistani territory? If Pakistanis are thinking that it is their right to claim Indian territory based on religion then they are mistaken it is not going to happen. There are more muslims in India and majority of them are happy and participating in the development of India. India is not without problems neither is any other country.
Europeans are coming together for the betterment of their people, forgetting their past differences and here we are slaves of the past events? Still living in fool’s paradise on borrowed glory of the past, like drug addicts. We know and have seen that war is not solution to the problem so why don’t we start thinking about making our people’s lives better. Hard work and economic progress is the solution but not stone age thinking.
yahoodi,
The optimistic way of looking at this is to see that these ridiculous notions were commonplace among educated Muslims all over North India prior to 1947. That space shrank to Pakistan, then to West Pakistan, now to the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan…soon heading for oblivion. Asher bhai and friends will find some other topic in a few years. Pakistan is going to be become a very normal corrupt third world country with great potential…this level of nonsense was briefly on top thanks to Zia, but the game is already up. ISI psyops has not yet informed everyone that “god is dead”, so hundreds of people line up to cheer Zaid Hamid in Islamabad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXOm-0z4wWQ) but in GHQ they are already preparing for the next phase: how to make money off Chinese dealerships (and even TATA and Reliance) instead of HUJI and JEM….
“The fact that a Lal-topi exists, is heard, discussed and even liked is sufficient to prove that a peaceful world order is a mirage”
Responding to the above remark of Green-topi:
You just found out that tall-talks of peace are just a mirage? What else this Western Machiavellian politics has given to this world? You might think that the problem lies in the backward Muslims. Why are you so blind? Why do you choose to keep your eyes closed on all the covert actions?
Why do we have poverty? Why IMF charges huge interests from poor countries? These loans are given for infrastructure development but the interests payments are so huge that the loan will never be paid off.
Would you care to read “Confession of an Economic Hit Man”? I guess not since you would rather continue believing what makes you more comfortable i.e. Just put the whole blame on Islam and Muslims.
Back to the post, I had always a feeling that this Zaid Hamid coming in just 2 years bombarding on media with his talks . Well for naive he is of some interest otherwise he merely recites all the conspiracy theories from youtube or other such sources. No orginal work buddy!
After his alleged companionship with Mardood Yousuf Kazaab and him being his Khalifa, I have never seen anywhere where he denied that fact or denying that he think Yousuf kazaab was a false mardood. He he tries to divert the discussion completely to different topic avoiding the original question. Now I am not satisfied with “ckini chupri” talks. I want to hear straight yes or no. He never mentions or brings the name of Yousuf Kazaab.
Recently in an university in Lahore a student asked him very clear question weather he denies this or not. His reply was bla bla bla I have been in Afghanistan, bla bla bla Buzurgaan ne deen bala bla bla, sufiism bala bla bla bla bla bla. If you are not satisfied you come to me and I will make you satisfied. (a well documented tactic of Yousuf Kazaab to convince wealthy victims and naive young school/college girls to convince them in private.)
Sorry Mr. Zaid Zaman Hamid, I am not convinced.
>>>Why do we have poverty? Why IMF charges huge interests from poor countries?
Why don’t Islamic and Arabic countries gives money free to Pakistani muslim brothers? Who is responsible for corruption, politicians in poor countires have bank accounts in foreign banks, looting their countries, is that Europeans, IMF or World Bank’s fault? Nobody is forcing you to beg money from IMF or World Bank? Beggars can’t ask money on their terms? If money from IMF and World Bank was invested in economy then you could have seen the difference but money goes to the pocket of corrupt officials and politicians. Don’t blame foreign countries for corruption, poverty and backwardness, people and politiocians are to blame.
Beggars can’t ask money on their terms? If money from IMF and World Bank was invested in economy then you could have seen the difference but money goes to the pocket of corrupt officials and politicians. Don’t blame foreign countries for corruption, poverty and backwardness, people and politiocians are to blame.
You might as well be talking about Greece,Iceland,Latuia,Ireland or for that matter US of A (most indebted country,whose next two years federal budget deficit is expected to exceeds entire woeld’s savings)
>>You might as well be talking about Greece,Iceland, Ireland or for that matter US
Don’t worry about Europeans, Europeans have infrastructure and money was spent on education, health and pensions. Denying that Pakistan was begging money since its creation and can’t provide basic facilities to its people, will not make Pakistan a great country, invest your energy and enthusiasm to make Pakistan a better country. Finding fault and blaming others will not solve Pakistan’s problem, no matter what, Europeans’ living standard is 100 times better than India and Pakistan, people have education, healthcare when Pakistan and India will take another 100 years to provide education, healthcare and civil facilities (Clean water, sewage etc) to the level of Europeans.
Europeans are living in peace, helping each other and working together towards the improvement of the living standard of their citizens, forgetting their differences for the sake of their people. We Asians are stuck in middle ages still remeber who did what to whom in 11th century, killing each other for nothing, Europeans don’t even fight on what has happpened 50 years ago. Asians, who even can’t afford 1 meal a day, are ready to fight and kill each other to claim territory of Asian country, simply based on religion or race as it will give them 3 meals a day when we are that stupid how can we progress and prosper, we don’t need another countries, we are our worst enemy.
The fallacy involved here is that since the US in in debt and Pakistan is in debt, therefore Pakistan and the US are in the same boat. The US has its problems, but only someone educated in an elite university could imagine that its problems are worse than Pakistan’s or India’s problems. It is true that the US may have to scale back its war mongering because it doesnt have the money anymore (though the opposite is also possible), but it is even truer that Pakistan and India have wasted 60 years playing “strategic games” that were much farther out of their reach than imperial warmongering is out of the reach of the United States. It is also true that in this game, Pakistan has been more on the offensive than India…that is not a moral judgment, its a statement of fact and it is again not due to some moral superiority in India but simply due to the fact that it has been Pakistani policy to try and change the status quo (“get kashmir”, currently mostly in Indian hands) while it has generally been Indian policy to resist that change. It is also true that the army in Pakistan has acquired more power than the army in India and that has led to military short-sightedness determining policy to a greater extent than it does in India. But if you went to an elite university (sorry, but this is my favorite line these days, feel free to make fun of it) then you tend to look at things as moral issues and you have access to so many facts, you can always sound like the facts support your argument…anyway, I agree with Yahoodi, the US and even Europe will come out of this economic crisis more or less intact. Instead of waiting for them to fall on their face, maybe we should figure out how to advance the positive trends in South Asia…and they are there, the positive trends. In fact, I think contrary to what is taught in elite univesities (just kidding), Pakistan and India are both going to develop into midlevel economies with much improved food and shelter for most citizens within the next generation.
Denying that Pakistan was begging money since its creation and can’t provide basic facilities to its people, will not make Pakistan a great country, invest your energy and enthusiasm to make Pakistan a better country.
Dear friend where does in my response I deny anything about Pakistan or even mention it. I appreciate your worthy advice based on your assumptions. Personally I would be rather be your fan than Zaid Hamid’s if I had to chose. But I see that a perfectly rational person that you may be, when it comes to Pakistan,Pakistani etc only words you can recall are, beggars, stuck in past,violent,irrational, inefriority complex etc tetc, and unfortunately there is little effort on your part to make a difference between Policies of successive Pakistani govts9mostly unrepresentative), State of Pakistan and people of Pakistan. You paint 160 million men,women and childrens as some deranged entity and that is where it is hard to believe that your advice is an advice from a sincere and concerned fella.
Don’t worry about Europeans, Europeans have infrastructure and money was spent on education, health and pensions.
That is my point that Icelanders, Greek ,Lativians , Irish or for that matter Spainiards and Portugees next in line forNational bankruptcy and asking for bail outs , could not see, detect or stop this financial wreckage becomming their fate despite being better educated, healthier and having democratic system of govt. Might it occur to intelligent peoples that the current Economical /Financial order is stacked against some nations more heavily than others and keeps them in a vicious cycle of poverty,violence and Ignorance. The situition becomes so bleak that people like Hamid or Palin can stoke peoples emotions and fears rather than much needed use of rational faculties to dig out of these holes.
I would recommend you read ‘Super Imperialism, The Economic Strategy of American Empire’ By Michael Hudson.
It does not mean that we people of Asian or subcontinental origin can absolve ourselves from responsibilities of a reasonable and decent condut. Investment in human resources in countries like Pakistan is the need of hour but it is not going to happen while mutitude of conflicts divide and subdivide people along various fault lines. SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK IT WHAT ARE THE FACTORS/FORCES THAT AGGRAVATE /FLAME these conflicts and WHAT IS THE ANTIDOTE, that is where friends could help us understand our faults albiet in a better language.
Do not know much about him but he sounds good as far as his speech is concerned. things that does not fit is every one around him are fashion designer, singer etc. no reflection of what he speaks, in his team. all the fact he mentioned about Islam are true and many muslim are aware of it, but my argument in Islam spread with the behaviour of Muhammad (PBUH) and his companions. not with speech. no reflection of Islam in his team.
Last night’s speech on ary news, there was clear difference of class. VIP’s were sitting seperate to other public. Islam teaches equality.
Malik sahib, you are on the wrong website (just kidding, Sepoy bahadur). On this site, we dont believe Islam teaches holy war and all that Zaid Hamid crap. Really, look back through the articles posted on this blog…..
It all depends what you call a !!!!!war!!!!! as there is no world called holy war. please correct you concept.
>>>Policies of Pakistani govts (unrepresentative), State of Pakistan and people
>>>People like Hamid or Palin can stoke peoples emotions
Goverment and Army is made of people. Pakistan was created based on emotions. After independence, Pakistan’s founding fathers didn’t reconstruct, reform and invest time to stabilize Pakistan but invaded Kashmir in 1948, why? It was thought that North-Eastern Indian muslims can’t live in India with Hindus (Muslim League represented the Indian muslims) and Islam will unite ethnic and cultural diverse Pakistanis. But Islam can’t tolerate diversity (Shia, Sunni, Ahmediyas etc) so it is not for Pakistan, Islam might work in a uniform muslim society like Iran (Shia) but we see problems already in Iran. Why, there is still debate what kind of country Pakistan should be, South-Eastern muslim countries (Malaysia) who gain independence in 1958 are more developed, why not Pakistan?
>>>Economical /Financial order is stacked against some nations
Needy can’t dictate the conditions. You, yourself will not give money to somebody on his terms as simple as that.
>>> recommend you read ‘Super Imperialism”
Romans, Ottoman and British empire did it, Pakistan is doing where it can (Afghanistan), why complan if US or West is doing, China has started to project its power, why complain.
>>>it is not going to happen while mutitude of conflicts divide and subdivide people
If we have tribal or pond mentality and fight on small and petty interests, can’t see bigger picture, why blame others?
>>>You can recall are, beggars, stuck in past,violent,irrational, inefriority complex
We are stuck in past, we are glorifying invaders and foreginers like Bin-Kasims, Ghauris, Moguls etc. Pakistan has people who think rationally but never going to lead because Pakistanis are looking for quick solutions, someone to come, work and solve problems for them, like turning to Army for help.
If my comments could provoke thinking then it was worth. I am not trying to insult anybody here specially Pakistanis, I am sorry if my commnets came accross that way. I think the only way to progress is forward thinking, past is past, time to look forward for the benefit of our people. The conflict or war is not the solution to the problem but communication and dialogues are.
Let us work for peace, stability and constructively for the benefit of our people
Imran,
You are perfectly in tune with the tone of this blog. That is exactly what I meant, there is no such thing as holy war and all that jihad against infidels crap among the owners and regulars of this blog. Which is why I told Malik sahib that this Zaid Hamid crap is out of place here…..we are all liberals here, we dont like war (holy or unholy), we dont like imperialism (western or Arab, though some of us believe that it is not good form to talk of Arab imperialism when the Arabs are themselves imperial subjects now, let bygones be bygones and so on)…
Pakistan was created based on emotions. After independence, Pakistan’s founding fathers didn’t reconstruct, reform and invest time to stabilize Pakistan but invaded Kashmir in 1948, why? It was thought that North-Eastern Indian muslims can’t live in India with Hindus (Muslim League represented the Indian muslims) and Islam will unite ethnic and cultural diverse Pakistanis
Did you by any chance read Jaswant Singh ’s “Jinnah-partition, India” and Why BJP expelled him? Is it a case of Projection ?
But Islam can’t tolerate diversity (Shia, Sunni, Ahmediyas etc) so it is not for Pakistan, Islam might work in a uniform muslim society like Iran (Shia) but we see problems already in Iran. Why, there is still debate what kind of country Pakistan should be, South-Eastern muslim countries (Malaysia) who gain independence in 1958 are more developed, why not Pakistan?
Can you point out how many contradictions are there in these five lines.
Malaysia last time I checked is pretty diverse in ethnicity and relgions actuallly probably more diverse than Pakistan, so Is ‘Malaysian Islam’ different than subcontinental or Iranian Islam? Now if we suppose history did not start in 1947, then how do you explain millions of people of Indian subcontinent origin embracing Islam voluntarily? Lats time I checked close to half billion people combined together in Pakistan ,India and Bangladesh profess Islam as their faith, Were/Are these irrational people ,who were waiting for a ‘religion that cannot tolerate diversity’ and adopted it as soon as they got a chance?
Romans, Ottoman and British empire did it, Pakistan is doing where it can (Afghanistan), why complan if US or West is doing, China has started to project its power, why complain.
So you are saying
‘might is right’ is fine as long as one is the mightiest.
If we have tribal or pond mentality and fight on small and petty interests, can’t see bigger picture, why blame others?
I was merely pointing to the bigger picture by bringing the factors that are beyond any Pakistani’s control in discussion, did not mean to blame anybody, neither wanted to grant myself or any Pakistani a pass on our own responsibilities, that is the primary factor needed to correct our situition.
We are stuck in past, we are glorifying invaders and foreginers like Bin-Kasims, Ghauris, Moguls etc.
You can find it on this blog also and through internet etc that Pakistani youth is having none of this. It may still be in some text books but people are much more smarter than that.
Let us work for peace, stability and constructively for the benefit of our people
Amen
People like Zaid are symptoms of an acute Psychiatric disorder at national level; unable to do any wonders in the world we enjoy being led into a fantasy world; just like Heroin addicts we dont wish to come out of our state of affairs; We need Zaid kind of people to supply us uninterrupted doses of hallucinating drugs;
People like zaid Hamid, the lower the IQ the more you hate them !!!
I would request you everyone to Please clear your minds for Zaid Hamid … He is True Mard-e-Momin and Mujahid … Go through my blog … Read it … and be the part of Mr.Zaid Hamid mission for Takmeel-e-Pakistan … Your comments will be highly appreciated. Thanks.
http://slimlogix.blogspot.com/2010/03/mrzaid-hamid-true-mujahid.html
Is this the new secret lives of internet cafes thread?
I don’t know how I missed this post. This is the problem with RSS feeds, though: I had no idea this thread was here!
Wow.
Its sad to see how people will go to any extent to defame someone. All the accusations are based on a primary convention that Yusuf actually did claim to be a prophet. One must look into solid evidence before taking such huge steps as we are all accountable in front of Allah and he who misleads for worldly gain or limited understanding because of less effort will be in a very vulnerable position on the day of judgement. Also please see this for further guidance”:
http://www.mediafire.com/?jjmddjtwd2z
he is gando
Dear Brothers
plz chk link
Zaid Hamid Admits His Links To Yousuf Kazzab – Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zwgWOI0iyo
Dear Sir,
Your lecture is good for the crowd consumption.But your first and foremost priority should be to educate 90 % of uneducated lots of Pakistan.People do not understand your talk as they are hungry and sick.For Godsake put sometime to all these issues as well.Emotional speeches do not unload burden from our shoulder.Concrete steps are required.You should do what you are doing but also motivate people for education,health and housing.Thanks
Mr zahid hamid is our proud and dignity.
Allah keep him safe and sound to anymis.
thanks to Allah Almighty who has blessed us with such brave mujahids……may he live long……….
Mr Zaid Hamid is our pride….
dear sir ,
i would like to start your mission here in Belgium and Europe and i would like and need advoice frome you to adress me what i have to do and how.2nd thing we Pakistanis looking for an place in our city to biuld a mosque and inshallah will be very soon but dear sir you know the
pakistanis amossions about Islam same time they are too much amossional for that. please pray for us and advice me
thanks and duaa for you to all you missions for Pakistan and Islam
wazir khan from Belgium
shamelessly cross posting from the new Zaid Hamid thread: Manan, I will play devil’s advocate and say that this phenomenon is very interesting, but not that important in “real life”. It seems bigger than it is because the people lining up to cheer “Sir Zaid” are OUR class, especially in Punjab. But I think his 15 minutes are almost up and he will soon be replaced by some other figure.
Hardcore jihadi ideology existed before Allama Iqbal and Zaid Hamid (yes, you heard me right; I did put this ass and the great poet in the same sentence) and will pretty much exist after the ISI decides to dump “Sir Zaid”. For those people who are exploding in markets and mosques the anjuman e himayat e Islam verses of Allama Lahori and the rants of Zaid sahib are really just the icing on the cake, not a cause of the problem. Then you have the mummy-daddy jihadis who flock to lectures by Zaid Hamid. Well, I am sorry, but I am not too impressed with this lot. They are not capable of exploding or even doing something moderately dangerous like harboring a terrorist. They are just filling in time between dates at “Tea-coffee and me” and A-level superexams (in which they do almost as well as the Indians). Allama and this Zaid Hamid nonsense is just entertainment and emotional release. Sure, some will go nuts like that fraud Qudratullah Shahab and invent stories of spying in Israel without sleeping for ten days (he actually believed that…reminds me of “a beautiful mind”, but without the beautiful mind). They will get some degraded version of western education, do tech level jobs or get rich fleecing medicare (OK, I am kidding, they will do all kinds of solid real work and bring up their families and pay their mortgages, good solid middle class lives await most of them)…they are not a serious threat.
I am NOT claiming that everyone in Pakistan is on the verge of some kind of middle class utopia. I am just saying the “sir zaid and sir azmat” crowd is a small middle class phenomenon with NO resonance in the larger mass of Pakistanis. And I am happy to lay a bet on this with anyone who thinks Sir Zaid will become some kind of serious player in Pakistani politics. Even Imran Khan (whose ideology is a more sensible version of Sir Zaid’s ranting) has more real support than this joker. And I am one of those who think HE (the great Imran, who I really do think is a “great hero”) has no serious future in Pakistani politics either.
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