So, I turn to you, my collective hive brain. Who is this “Dr.” “Prof.” Zaid Hamid? He has, from most accounts, secured a niche similar to Glenn Beck in Pakistani media – combining ultra-nationalism with a taste for finding Zionist or Hindu involvement in the Pakistani sphere. Here he explains, for example, what truths lie behind “conspiracy theories”:
“We are against the Zionist politics of the Brahmanical elite”. Alrighty then. Some other hair-raising stuff here with Ali Azmat.
He is also, through his privately produced program Brass Tacks, engaged in producing historical narratives – from Khalid b. Walid to 1857 – the “War of Independence”. (“More Indians were killed by the British between 1757 and 1857 than at any time in the previous 5000 years”). Naturally, this makes me very, very interested in him, professionally speaking.
The cursory searches on the internets reveal all kind of contestations – he is an agent of ISPR, he is a true Muslim, he is a former acolyte of a claimant to the Prophethood, he is a true Muslim, etc. What I am really interested in, is figuring out his audiences, his appeals to them, and his theories of media (and mediation). His wiki page is no more than a stub. Can we fill this profile up? Can we place him on a scale of Glenn Beck to Yusuf al-Qaradawi?
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Pakistanis psyche as Pakistanis blame everybody for all their problems.
Is not it that civilized world and its accolytes are paying in the same coin by blamming all their troubles originate or will be originating from Pakistan aka safe heaven for terrorism.
I don’t know what to make of this, i’m not accusing just confused. Zahid Hamid seems like the right person at the right time for pakistan, but everything is very shady about his background , some real clarification need to be made. A very interesting analysis I found please read and comment,
http://www.scribd.com/doc/23672211/Zaid-Hamid-s-past-present-a-research-work
Safe havens seem to be dime a dozen :)
“Forget about Yemen. The real terrorist threat exposed by the underwear bomber is in Merry Olde England. ” http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/02/03/londonistan
Speaking of projecting one’s self on others, and since Zaid Hamid is big in antiSemitic myth making. One such myth is the blood libel, which takes us to Cannibalism.
“A spell-binding history of cannibalism in the middle ages: its use as a propaganda tool, and place in Christendom’s self-image; the cannibal as a philosophical hypothetical, and a justification for colonialism; and Richard the Lionheart’s fondness for “Saracen’s head’s all hot” ”
http://www.opendemocracy.net/jen-paton/europe-and-its-cannibals
How attacking and war on others will solve Pakistan’s problem? Zaid hamid’s ideology will lead Pakistan into chaos, poverty and destruction. The society prosrpers having harmony, peace and stability, not from war? The shouting and threats are sign of frustration and weekness, not bravery. Zaid Hamid can shout, threaten, throw missile on any country in theory it will harm nobody, shouting costs nothing, if he wants to see what will happen to Pakistan as a result of his actions then Zaid Hamid should put into practice what he preaches. I can assure you Pakistan will be wiped out from the earth.
Why Arabs are not stuck in the past and progressing because they are confident and have no identity crisis when Pakistanis have neither? Europeans have realised that working togther will make people prosperous and living standard better. Europeans who fought wars, were arch enemies 50 years ago, have forgotten for the benefit of people. People like Zaid Hamid are responsible for their people’s misery and problems. I don’t understand, how he will make Pakistan prosperous, going war with US, Israel and India? What Pakistanis people will gain from war? Does Pakistan have resources to win the war, money and weapons? Why Pakistan could not stand on their feet in 60 years and can’t survive without foreign aid? Pakistanis lives in fools paradise, thinking they are the savior and leader of the Islamic world when they can’t feed their own people and Arabs don’t give a damn what Pakistanis think. How Pakistanis will progress when Pakistan is stuck in the past and lives on borrowed middle ages glory when Arabs have moved long way ahead.
Behoodi,
Ankhon mein dhool jhokna to tum se koi seekay. The simple answer to your baseless assertion is this. Pakistan’s fault was his Islamic heritage. Britain had just finished off Khilafat after years of hardwork. They were not gonna let that hardwork go down the drain by allowing a country created in the name of Islam. So, they supported Hindu India. Hindus NEVER accepted Pakistan because they were dreaming of creating their own IMAGINARY and MYTHICAL state which spans from middleast to Indonesian (yeah right?)
India has not left any bones untunred in breaking Pakistan up. Then through American or British machinations the power got to the hands of the feudal class. and they fucked everything up for Pakistan. They have been responsible for the backwardness of tis country.
Paksitan’s creation was justified. At the very least, we have a homeland to go home to. Just ask the importance of such a homeland from the Jewish diaspora.
Dear Asher,
We are talking about certain people like Zaid hamid in Pakistan or its equal to in India. These people are dreamers, neither Akhand Bharat or Radio Pakistan Delhi is not going to happen, you know it, I know it and they know it. When India or Pakistan can’t provide better living standard to those people which they have already, how they can manage Radio Pakistan Delhi or Akhand Bharat etc. You know better what is happening in Pakistan or how better managed and ruled pakistan is.
Europeans are not responsible for corruption, poverty in India or in Pakistan, it is our politicians or people who support them. If Pakistan considers that it has right to interfere in Afghanistan then no need to point fingers on others, every country would like to safe guard its interests. British supported Hindus? British supported everybody who served their interets, they divide muslims and hindus to rule over India. Americans and Eurpeans suported India after Independence? Check the history, Pakistan was part of American game plan against USSR, not India but Pakistan was member of American military alliances CENTO, CEATO and was rewarded with money. Nothing is free, if you want money, you have to give back something. There was no land reform in Pakistan, are Europeans responsible for that?
India worked hard to break Pakistan? Well, Pakistan started it in 1948 in Kashmir, every country has right to fight back and Pakistan does too. I am not disputing creation of Pakistan, now you have Pakistan, why don’t you work hard to make Pakistan a developed and progressive country. Does India claim any Pakistani territory? If Pakistanis are thinking that it is their right to claim Indian territory based on religion then they are mistaken it is not going to happen. There are more muslims in India and majority of them are happy and participating in the development of India. India is not without problems neither is any other country.
Europeans are coming together for the betterment of their people, forgetting their past differences and here we are slaves of the past events? Still living in fool’s paradise on borrowed glory of the past, like drug addicts. We know and have seen that war is not solution to the problem so why don’t we start thinking about making our people’s lives better. Hard work and economic progress is the solution but not stone age thinking.
yahoodi,
The optimistic way of looking at this is to see that these ridiculous notions were commonplace among educated Muslims all over North India prior to 1947. That space shrank to Pakistan, then to West Pakistan, now to the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan…soon heading for oblivion. Asher bhai and friends will find some other topic in a few years. Pakistan is going to be become a very normal corrupt third world country with great potential…this level of nonsense was briefly on top thanks to Zia, but the game is already up. ISI psyops has not yet informed everyone that “god is dead”, so hundreds of people line up to cheer Zaid Hamid in Islamabad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXOm-0z4wWQ) but in GHQ they are already preparing for the next phase: how to make money off Chinese dealerships (and even TATA and Reliance) instead of HUJI and JEM….
“The fact that a Lal-topi exists, is heard, discussed and even liked is sufficient to prove that a peaceful world order is a mirage”
Responding to the above remark of Green-topi:
You just found out that tall-talks of peace are just a mirage? What else this Western Machiavellian politics has given to this world? You might think that the problem lies in the backward Muslims. Why are you so blind? Why do you choose to keep your eyes closed on all the covert actions?
Why do we have poverty? Why IMF charges huge interests from poor countries? These loans are given for infrastructure development but the interests payments are so huge that the loan will never be paid off.
Would you care to read “Confession of an Economic Hit Man”? I guess not since you would rather continue believing what makes you more comfortable i.e. Just put the whole blame on Islam and Muslims.
Back to the post, I had always a feeling that this Zaid Hamid coming in just 2 years bombarding on media with his talks . Well for naive he is of some interest otherwise he merely recites all the conspiracy theories from youtube or other such sources. No orginal work buddy!
After his alleged companionship with Mardood Yousuf Kazaab and him being his Khalifa, I have never seen anywhere where he denied that fact or denying that he think Yousuf kazaab was a false mardood. He he tries to divert the discussion completely to different topic avoiding the original question. Now I am not satisfied with “ckini chupri” talks. I want to hear straight yes or no. He never mentions or brings the name of Yousuf Kazaab.
Recently in an university in Lahore a student asked him very clear question weather he denies this or not. His reply was bla bla bla I have been in Afghanistan, bla bla bla Buzurgaan ne deen bala bla bla, sufiism bala bla bla bla bla bla. If you are not satisfied you come to me and I will make you satisfied. (a well documented tactic of Yousuf Kazaab to convince wealthy victims and naive young school/college girls to convince them in private.)
Sorry Mr. Zaid Zaman Hamid, I am not convinced.
>>>Why do we have poverty? Why IMF charges huge interests from poor countries?
Why don’t Islamic and Arabic countries gives money free to Pakistani muslim brothers? Who is responsible for corruption, politicians in poor countires have bank accounts in foreign banks, looting their countries, is that Europeans, IMF or World Bank’s fault? Nobody is forcing you to beg money from IMF or World Bank? Beggars can’t ask money on their terms? If money from IMF and World Bank was invested in economy then you could have seen the difference but money goes to the pocket of corrupt officials and politicians. Don’t blame foreign countries for corruption, poverty and backwardness, people and politiocians are to blame.
Beggars can’t ask money on their terms? If money from IMF and World Bank was invested in economy then you could have seen the difference but money goes to the pocket of corrupt officials and politicians. Don’t blame foreign countries for corruption, poverty and backwardness, people and politiocians are to blame.
You might as well be talking about Greece,Iceland,Latuia,Ireland or for that matter US of A (most indebted country,whose next two years federal budget deficit is expected to exceeds entire woeld’s savings)
>>You might as well be talking about Greece,Iceland, Ireland or for that matter US
Don’t worry about Europeans, Europeans have infrastructure and money was spent on education, health and pensions. Denying that Pakistan was begging money since its creation and can’t provide basic facilities to its people, will not make Pakistan a great country, invest your energy and enthusiasm to make Pakistan a better country. Finding fault and blaming others will not solve Pakistan’s problem, no matter what, Europeans’ living standard is 100 times better than India and Pakistan, people have education, healthcare when Pakistan and India will take another 100 years to provide education, healthcare and civil facilities (Clean water, sewage etc) to the level of Europeans.
Europeans are living in peace, helping each other and working together towards the improvement of the living standard of their citizens, forgetting their differences for the sake of their people. We Asians are stuck in middle ages still remeber who did what to whom in 11th century, killing each other for nothing, Europeans don’t even fight on what has happpened 50 years ago. Asians, who even can’t afford 1 meal a day, are ready to fight and kill each other to claim territory of Asian country, simply based on religion or race as it will give them 3 meals a day when we are that stupid how can we progress and prosper, we don’t need another countries, we are our worst enemy.
The fallacy involved here is that since the US in in debt and Pakistan is in debt, therefore Pakistan and the US are in the same boat. The US has its problems, but only someone educated in an elite university could imagine that its problems are worse than Pakistan’s or India’s problems. It is true that the US may have to scale back its war mongering because it doesnt have the money anymore (though the opposite is also possible), but it is even truer that Pakistan and India have wasted 60 years playing “strategic games” that were much farther out of their reach than imperial warmongering is out of the reach of the United States. It is also true that in this game, Pakistan has been more on the offensive than India…that is not a moral judgment, its a statement of fact and it is again not due to some moral superiority in India but simply due to the fact that it has been Pakistani policy to try and change the status quo (“get kashmir”, currently mostly in Indian hands) while it has generally been Indian policy to resist that change. It is also true that the army in Pakistan has acquired more power than the army in India and that has led to military short-sightedness determining policy to a greater extent than it does in India. But if you went to an elite university (sorry, but this is my favorite line these days, feel free to make fun of it) then you tend to look at things as moral issues and you have access to so many facts, you can always sound like the facts support your argument…anyway, I agree with Yahoodi, the US and even Europe will come out of this economic crisis more or less intact. Instead of waiting for them to fall on their face, maybe we should figure out how to advance the positive trends in South Asia…and they are there, the positive trends. In fact, I think contrary to what is taught in elite univesities (just kidding), Pakistan and India are both going to develop into midlevel economies with much improved food and shelter for most citizens within the next generation.
Denying that Pakistan was begging money since its creation and can’t provide basic facilities to its people, will not make Pakistan a great country, invest your energy and enthusiasm to make Pakistan a better country.
Dear friend where does in my response I deny anything about Pakistan or even mention it. I appreciate your worthy advice based on your assumptions. Personally I would be rather be your fan than Zaid Hamid’s if I had to chose. But I see that a perfectly rational person that you may be, when it comes to Pakistan,Pakistani etc only words you can recall are, beggars, stuck in past,violent,irrational, inefriority complex etc tetc, and unfortunately there is little effort on your part to make a difference between Policies of successive Pakistani govts9mostly unrepresentative), State of Pakistan and people of Pakistan. You paint 160 million men,women and childrens as some deranged entity and that is where it is hard to believe that your advice is an advice from a sincere and concerned fella.
Don’t worry about Europeans, Europeans have infrastructure and money was spent on education, health and pensions.
That is my point that Icelanders, Greek ,Lativians , Irish or for that matter Spainiards and Portugees next in line forNational bankruptcy and asking for bail outs , could not see, detect or stop this financial wreckage becomming their fate despite being better educated, healthier and having democratic system of govt. Might it occur to intelligent peoples that the current Economical /Financial order is stacked against some nations more heavily than others and keeps them in a vicious cycle of poverty,violence and Ignorance. The situition becomes so bleak that people like Hamid or Palin can stoke peoples emotions and fears rather than much needed use of rational faculties to dig out of these holes.
I would recommend you read ‘Super Imperialism, The Economic Strategy of American Empire’ By Michael Hudson.
It does not mean that we people of Asian or subcontinental origin can absolve ourselves from responsibilities of a reasonable and decent condut. Investment in human resources in countries like Pakistan is the need of hour but it is not going to happen while mutitude of conflicts divide and subdivide people along various fault lines. SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK IT WHAT ARE THE FACTORS/FORCES THAT AGGRAVATE /FLAME these conflicts and WHAT IS THE ANTIDOTE, that is where friends could help us understand our faults albiet in a better language.
Do not know much about him but he sounds good as far as his speech is concerned. things that does not fit is every one around him are fashion designer, singer etc. no reflection of what he speaks, in his team. all the fact he mentioned about Islam are true and many muslim are aware of it, but my argument in Islam spread with the behaviour of Muhammad (PBUH) and his companions. not with speech. no reflection of Islam in his team.
Last night’s speech on ary news, there was clear difference of class. VIP’s were sitting seperate to other public. Islam teaches equality.
Malik sahib, you are on the wrong website (just kidding, Sepoy bahadur). On this site, we dont believe Islam teaches holy war and all that Zaid Hamid crap. Really, look back through the articles posted on this blog…..
It all depends what you call a !!!!!war!!!!! as there is no world called holy war. please correct you concept.
>>>Policies of Pakistani govts (unrepresentative), State of Pakistan and people
>>>People like Hamid or Palin can stoke peoples emotions
Goverment and Army is made of people. Pakistan was created based on emotions. After independence, Pakistan’s founding fathers didn’t reconstruct, reform and invest time to stabilize Pakistan but invaded Kashmir in 1948, why? It was thought that North-Eastern Indian muslims can’t live in India with Hindus (Muslim League represented the Indian muslims) and Islam will unite ethnic and cultural diverse Pakistanis. But Islam can’t tolerate diversity (Shia, Sunni, Ahmediyas etc) so it is not for Pakistan, Islam might work in a uniform muslim society like Iran (Shia) but we see problems already in Iran. Why, there is still debate what kind of country Pakistan should be, South-Eastern muslim countries (Malaysia) who gain independence in 1958 are more developed, why not Pakistan?
>>>Economical /Financial order is stacked against some nations
Needy can’t dictate the conditions. You, yourself will not give money to somebody on his terms as simple as that.
>>> recommend you read ‘Super Imperialism”
Romans, Ottoman and British empire did it, Pakistan is doing where it can (Afghanistan), why complan if US or West is doing, China has started to project its power, why complain.
>>>it is not going to happen while mutitude of conflicts divide and subdivide people
If we have tribal or pond mentality and fight on small and petty interests, can’t see bigger picture, why blame others?
>>>You can recall are, beggars, stuck in past,violent,irrational, inefriority complex
We are stuck in past, we are glorifying invaders and foreginers like Bin-Kasims, Ghauris, Moguls etc. Pakistan has people who think rationally but never going to lead because Pakistanis are looking for quick solutions, someone to come, work and solve problems for them, like turning to Army for help.
If my comments could provoke thinking then it was worth. I am not trying to insult anybody here specially Pakistanis, I am sorry if my commnets came accross that way. I think the only way to progress is forward thinking, past is past, time to look forward for the benefit of our people. The conflict or war is not the solution to the problem but communication and dialogues are.
Let us work for peace, stability and constructively for the benefit of our people
Imran,
You are perfectly in tune with the tone of this blog. That is exactly what I meant, there is no such thing as holy war and all that jihad against infidels crap among the owners and regulars of this blog. Which is why I told Malik sahib that this Zaid Hamid crap is out of place here…..we are all liberals here, we dont like war (holy or unholy), we dont like imperialism (western or Arab, though some of us believe that it is not good form to talk of Arab imperialism when the Arabs are themselves imperial subjects now, let bygones be bygones and so on)…
Pakistan was created based on emotions. After independence, Pakistan’s founding fathers didn’t reconstruct, reform and invest time to stabilize Pakistan but invaded Kashmir in 1948, why? It was thought that North-Eastern Indian muslims can’t live in India with Hindus (Muslim League represented the Indian muslims) and Islam will unite ethnic and cultural diverse Pakistanis
Did you by any chance read Jaswant Singh ‘s “Jinnah-partition, India” and Why BJP expelled him? Is it a case of Projection ?
But Islam can’t tolerate diversity (Shia, Sunni, Ahmediyas etc) so it is not for Pakistan, Islam might work in a uniform muslim society like Iran (Shia) but we see problems already in Iran. Why, there is still debate what kind of country Pakistan should be, South-Eastern muslim countries (Malaysia) who gain independence in 1958 are more developed, why not Pakistan?
Can you point out how many contradictions are there in these five lines.
Malaysia last time I checked is pretty diverse in ethnicity and relgions actuallly probably more diverse than Pakistan, so Is ‘Malaysian Islam’ different than subcontinental or Iranian Islam? Now if we suppose history did not start in 1947, then how do you explain millions of people of Indian subcontinent origin embracing Islam voluntarily? Lats time I checked close to half billion people combined together in Pakistan ,India and Bangladesh profess Islam as their faith, Were/Are these irrational people ,who were waiting for a ‘religion that cannot tolerate diversity’ and adopted it as soon as they got a chance?
Romans, Ottoman and British empire did it, Pakistan is doing where it can (Afghanistan), why complan if US or West is doing, China has started to project its power, why complain.
So you are saying
‘might is right’ is fine as long as one is the mightiest.
If we have tribal or pond mentality and fight on small and petty interests, can’t see bigger picture, why blame others?
I was merely pointing to the bigger picture by bringing the factors that are beyond any Pakistani’s control in discussion, did not mean to blame anybody, neither wanted to grant myself or any Pakistani a pass on our own responsibilities, that is the primary factor needed to correct our situition.
We are stuck in past, we are glorifying invaders and foreginers like Bin-Kasims, Ghauris, Moguls etc.
You can find it on this blog also and through internet etc that Pakistani youth is having none of this. It may still be in some text books but people are much more smarter than that.
Let us work for peace, stability and constructively for the benefit of our people
Amen
People like Zaid are symptoms of an acute Psychiatric disorder at national level; unable to do any wonders in the world we enjoy being led into a fantasy world; just like Heroin addicts we dont wish to come out of our state of affairs; We need Zaid kind of people to supply us uninterrupted doses of hallucinating drugs;
People like zaid Hamid, the lower the IQ the more you hate them !!!
I would request you everyone to Please clear your minds for Zaid Hamid … He is True Mard-e-Momin and Mujahid … Go through my blog … Read it … and be the part of Mr.Zaid Hamid mission for Takmeel-e-Pakistan … Your comments will be highly appreciated. Thanks.
http://slimlogix.blogspot.com/2010/03/mrzaid-hamid-true-mujahid.html
Is this the new secret lives of internet cafes thread?
I don’t know how I missed this post. This is the problem with RSS feeds, though: I had no idea this thread was here!
Wow.
Its sad to see how people will go to any extent to defame someone. All the accusations are based on a primary convention that Yusuf actually did claim to be a prophet. One must look into solid evidence before taking such huge steps as we are all accountable in front of Allah and he who misleads for worldly gain or limited understanding because of less effort will be in a very vulnerable position on the day of judgement. Also please see this for further guidance”:
http://www.mediafire.com/?jjmddjtwd2z
he is gando
Dear Brothers
plz chk link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnThqV9CKn8
Dear Brothers
plz chk link
Zaid Hamid Admits His Links To Yousuf Kazzab – Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zwgWOI0iyo
Dear Sir,
Your lecture is good for the crowd consumption.But your first and foremost priority should be to educate 90 % of uneducated lots of Pakistan.People do not understand your talk as they are hungry and sick.For Godsake put sometime to all these issues as well.Emotional speeches do not unload burden from our shoulder.Concrete steps are required.You should do what you are doing but also motivate people for education,health and housing.Thanks
Mr zahid hamid is our proud and dignity.
Allah keep him safe and sound to anymis.
thanks to Allah Almighty who has blessed us with such brave mujahids……may he live long……….
Mr Zaid Hamid is our pride….
dear sir ,
i would like to start your mission here in Belgium and Europe and i would like and need advoice frome you to adress me what i have to do and how.2nd thing we Pakistanis looking for an place in our city to biuld a mosque and inshallah will be very soon but dear sir you know the
pakistanis amossions about Islam same time they are too much amossional for that. please pray for us and advice me
thanks and duaa for you to all you missions for Pakistan and Islam
wazir khan from Belgium
shamelessly cross posting from the new Zaid Hamid thread: Manan, I will play devil’s advocate and say that this phenomenon is very interesting, but not that important in “real life”. It seems bigger than it is because the people lining up to cheer “Sir Zaid” are OUR class, especially in Punjab. But I think his 15 minutes are almost up and he will soon be replaced by some other figure.
Hardcore jihadi ideology existed before Allama Iqbal and Zaid Hamid (yes, you heard me right; I did put this ass and the great poet in the same sentence) and will pretty much exist after the ISI decides to dump “Sir Zaid”. For those people who are exploding in markets and mosques the anjuman e himayat e Islam verses of Allama Lahori and the rants of Zaid sahib are really just the icing on the cake, not a cause of the problem. Then you have the mummy-daddy jihadis who flock to lectures by Zaid Hamid. Well, I am sorry, but I am not too impressed with this lot. They are not capable of exploding or even doing something moderately dangerous like harboring a terrorist. They are just filling in time between dates at “Tea-coffee and me” and A-level superexams (in which they do almost as well as the Indians). Allama and this Zaid Hamid nonsense is just entertainment and emotional release. Sure, some will go nuts like that fraud Qudratullah Shahab and invent stories of spying in Israel without sleeping for ten days (he actually believed that…reminds me of “a beautiful mind”, but without the beautiful mind). They will get some degraded version of western education, do tech level jobs or get rich fleecing medicare (OK, I am kidding, they will do all kinds of solid real work and bring up their families and pay their mortgages, good solid middle class lives await most of them)…they are not a serious threat.
I am NOT claiming that everyone in Pakistan is on the verge of some kind of middle class utopia. I am just saying the “sir zaid and sir azmat” crowd is a small middle class phenomenon with NO resonance in the larger mass of Pakistanis. And I am happy to lay a bet on this with anyone who thinks Sir Zaid will become some kind of serious player in Pakistani politics. Even Imran Khan (whose ideology is a more sensible version of Sir Zaid’s ranting) has more real support than this joker. And I am one of those who think HE (the great Imran, who I really do think is a “great hero”) has no serious future in Pakistani politics either.
Problem with Pakistan:
- A nation (Pakistan) without nationals, Pakistanis (It is called set up).
- Pakistanis – ruling elite especially eastablisment, Army and ISI who to rule are stuck in the past inept at moving on. Ruling elites think that “all will be well” if they will get Kashmir.
- Pakistan has never found the true purpose of existence, its existance is defined only in relation to India. India has to be painted as negatively as possible.
- Pakistanis are savior of the islamic world.
Ordinary Pakistani should question “What will make their life better “? Pakistanis should demand better education, health and public services from their leaders. Pakistan should work hard to make its citizens lives better and progress rather than stopping others from progressing. Problem with Pakistan is that mullah, Islamic fundamentalists, politicians, army and ISI are fueling religious sentiments and anti-India hysteria to serve their own self interest, nobody is thinking about Pakistan’s progress.
Forward thinking will help to advance Pakistan economically, economic power counts more in the world than religious ideology. Ideology or theory reflects the solutions of the problems faced during that time. The problems change as time changes so what soultion was relevant 60 years ago might not be good for todays problems.
Poor man’s Tom Friedman? Is that you?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/03/opinion/03friedman.html
Christopher Hitchens, May be?
http://www.chapatimystery.com/archives/homistan/oh_the_drudgery_of_punditry.html
yawn!!!
Below is the Email communication which is I think helpful for you people to understand the truth.
Assalamoalikum,
There are few things which i would like to bring into your notice here. He is smart what he said in his you tube about aqaid the same almost he wrote on a paper format Iqrar Nama i read that too.
Now try to understand it here the case with cool mind. He seems not culprit by himself when we all heard about his ideology. The problem is he is linked with Yousuf kazzab and he is his Kalifa and Sahabi. (Audio Is also there of the speech. It was proven by the court and by the people who knows him in the court.)
He did not said anything wrong about Yosuf kazzab in his Youtube as well as his written matter which he recently released as his iqrar nama. Although it is launch day before yesterday or yesterday.
Now try to understand it in different way, If you know him by any means Ghulam ahmed Qadiani or not but you will say him kafir & Murtid after knowing his aqaids. right. You will not say only, That i believe on Allah and Rasool SAW and i am not concern with Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani. No …. You have to say Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani is Kafir and murtid.
Your eman and deeni ghairat will not let you quiet on Jhotay nabi Marzai par.
It is part of Emaniat.
Now, here he did not say anything about Yousuf Kazzab still, It is required indeed. We have no argument if his personality become clear again as he was in my good book earlier when i dont know about him even every Pakistani was thinking like this.
Second thing for an example, If you know a little bit about Qadiani then you will know their Tareeqa Wardaat.
You will be surprise, Even now they are saying we believe on Nabi SAW, Some will say he is the last prophet even(Only few). Why…. they beleif Ghulam Ahmed is same as Mohammed, (zilli or browsi taur par) Naozobillah or he is Mehdi or sometimes he is Maseeh Maood. See even now.
How do you know about them? by their books what his False and liar prophet said in his book about his aqaid. Now even they reject we know all their aqaid by the books. They have to condemn Ghulam AHmed Qadiani in any case which they do not, so even now if they says they beleif on Nabi SAW they are still Ahmedi/Qadiani and non Muslims. right.
Why, This Zaid Hamid did not say anything against him still, he is only doing lafzon ka hair phair. If he clear his views as per the shariah then he is my brother and also a role model to listen and follow his ideology.
In the above attachments that you sent to me of Zaid Hamid. In which he said it is a ilmi Discussion was going on with Majlis tahafuz-e- Khatme nabuwat. Just listen the You tube links you sent me in the other email. are those wording which he used for Ulemas, Debandis and islamic scholars are ilmi guftugo. Sad afsos hai. Please listen again he said they are jhotay kazaab, 2 takky k molvi fisad barpa karani walay, firoan. is this ilmi guftogu.
Zaid hamid is the biggest liar and a big fitna.
See the answer of your attachments.
http://zaidhamidexposition.wordpress.com/
Please come out from his dajal. After listening you will understand how big liar he is. He is a fraudia and using media to fool people but more important for me is you before others.
Please read the following Article and think logically and I pray to Allah to guide all muslims on correct path.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/28168015/Pori-Pakistani-Baradari-Jhooti-Ya-Akela-Zaid-Zaman-Khatam-e-Nabuwat
Please see another proof against him. he is the suspect.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/28202289/AMTKN-Open-Challenge-to-Zaid-Hamid
I also put some comment on your second email but those comments i wrote before this email so if you want to read those no problem but after this email , i hope and prayed all things will be cleared in your mind.
Allah ham sub ko hidayat naseeb farmaiy aur hidayat par rakhay. ameen.
Warmest Regards
Azeem
Other side response of my trailing email
There are 3 attachments in this email of the person, one which is the letter of Dr. Israr Ahmed on 9/03/2010,
I already put the link in the end of the post which will answer the first attachment.
2nd & 3rd attachment related to that he is not link by any means of Maulana Shahadat. You can see his entire document on the internets. I have answered this in my leading email.
Assalam U Alaikum,
I’m glad to hear that you remembered all those emails I sent regarding Zaid Hamid on Pakistan, USA, CIA & Khilafat. He was linked with Yousuf Kazaab for a fact. But hidayat from ALLAH subhanawa Tallah can change anyone at anytime in life. So, the question that I have and many others would like to ask is about his faith & belief.
Is he in fact pushing the torch of Yousuf Kazzab forward??? or is he trying to do something else?? What are his motives??
Attached above are the articles regarding this matter.
A good advice is good for all in general and we are advised by our prophet S.A.W.W to listen and analyze. His vision about pakistan, return of khilafa, interest free economy are clear and we appreciate them. His informative lectures on Zionist & Zionism, Jews, CIA conspiracy & many other hard hitting & EYE opening topics are MUST WATCH for muslims from ANY maslak.
That all said, Muslim scholars from ashraful madaris believe that Zaid Hamid, Zakir Naik & many other lecturers who are extremely influential are on their watch list.
So, it is advisable not to trust everything they say & to consult from QURAN & SUNNAT before following them.
Let us all be open minded enough to FIND THE TRUTH, A man is only accused until he is found guilty, in between that time we all should search & examine the facts.
Regards,
P.S. May ALLAH guide us all.
My first email, which I sent to the person earlier
Assalamoalaikum,
It is confirmed Maulana did challange to prove Yusuf Kazzab did try for false prophethood. and Zaid Hamid is linked with him. Who is Maulana Saeed Ahmed Jalalpuri, He (rahmatullah Alai) was the Ameer of Majlis -e-Tahafuz Khatm-e-Nabuwat after Ameer Yusuf Ludhyanwi shaheed RA. He was also answering apke Masail or unka hal in the Friday Jang newspaper after the shahadat of Maulana Yousuf Ludhyani.
I am here posting the link of the Umat Newspaper article in which, it was questioned to Zaid Hanid First.
http://www.kashifhafeez.com/large.php?path=2008-10-06&img=kh_articles/large/2008-10-06.gif
And also posting the interview of Maulana Saeed Ahmed Jalalpuri,
Interview of Maulana Saeed Ahmad Jalalpuri Sahab Regarding Yousuf Kazzab & Zaid Hamid
Yesterday, I went to “Aalmi Majlis e Tahaffuz e Khatm e Nubuwwat” (AMTKN) office at Purani Numaish, M.A. Jinnah Road, Masjid Babur Rehmat, Karachi Pakistan. And, I got an opportunity to talk to Maulana Saeed Ahmed Jalalpuri sahab himself, who is the Ameer of AMTKN. I am producing my conversation with respected Maulana below in the form of questions and answers:
Q: Did some one from AMTKN or Ulema Karam actively participate in the case against Yusuf Kazab?
A: Obviously ! the case was registered by Maulana Muhammad Ismail Shuja Abadi on the directions of quaideen of AMTKN
Q: Some people say that the Yusuf Kazab became a victim of Daily Khabrain Editor Zia Shahid’s enmity because Zia Shahid had some land/money dispute with Yusuf Kazab?
A: Suppose, if this was the case, then leave Zia Shahid, and take rest of the evidences, which are too much, coming from too many sources, too strong and too crystal clear in nature. AMTKN challenges any one who have any “proof” that Yusuf Kazab did not claimed to be a prophet, please come forward and AMTKN will listen him/her carefully, analyze those proofs and will clarify its stance publicly with all those proofs and counter-proofs. Its an open challenge for any one.
Q: Maulana, how AMTKN proof that Zaid Hamid was indeed “Syed Zaid Zaman”, the Khalifa of Yusuf Kazab?
A: I recommend you to read my booklet which contain non refutable proof that “Syed Zaid Zaman”, the Khalifa of Yusuf Kazab is none other than Zaid Hamid. AMTKN stand by this document and if Zaid Hamid wants to refute it or prove us wrong than he is more than welcome to visit us any time he like. We would sit together and discuss all counter proofs that he have and inshaAllah there will be khair. Nothing to fight over, its very simple, we have proofs you have counter-proofs, lets sit together and resolve it once and for all.
Q: Maulana do you have all those proofs in the documentation form?
A: Not only do we have those proofs in the documentation form, but those people who were affected by the murtid Yusuf Kazab are in our loop. I have personally met with some of those people as well.
Q: Person A was a follower of Yusuf Kazab, but now he says that he has “nothing to do with Yusuf or his beliefs or any other people like him”. What is the minimum requirement according to Shariah for Person A to come out clear from the mess he was involved in his past?
A: According to Shariah, Person A will have to do the following:
1. Acceptance – Accept publicly and openly that he “did” a mistake by negating the finality of Prophet Muhammad Salalaho Alayhi Wassalam and by following a liar Kazab and a false prophet.
2. Repentance – Repent that what ever he did was indeed a great sin and do Tauba and Astaghfar with Allah Subhanahu Ta’ala.
3. Disassociate – Disassociate publicly and openly that now he is no more a follower of Yusuf Kazab and his beliefs
4. Condemn – Condemn publicly and openly that Yusuf Kazab was indeed a liar and a murtid
5. Tajdeed e Iman – Do tajdeed of Iman (which also includes tajdeed of Aqid e Khatm e Nubuwwat) publicly and openly
6. Tajdeed e Nikah – Do tajdeed of Nikah
Q: [I show Maulana, the responses that Zaid Hamid sahab has given so far and ask his opinion] if they fulfill the requirement of Shariah?
A: No, these vague statements are not enough and does not fulfill the requirements of Shariah (as mentioned in the answer of above question).
Q: Maulana, will AMTKN welcome Zaid Hamid if he wishes to visit you to discuss this issue in detail?
A: I’ve already stated it in clear terms, we will welcome Zaid Hamid to come and discuss this issue. But, I can also tell you one thing, if Zaid Hamid is a culprit and is double crossing then, mark my words, he will never come, he will prefer to drink poison than visiting us at AMTKN office.
Regarda
Azeem
This is the addition I did later as I saw this recently posted and it will also exposed false propaganda of Zaid Hamid.
See the truth of Dr. Israr Ahmed relation. (we can find so many other details about him too on the following website)
http://zaidhamidexposition.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/tanzeem-i-islami-issues-a-second-press-release-blasts-zaid-hamid-declares-yusuf-a-kazab-once-again/
Found in article in Wkpd. Just the thought of it being possible shows how far Indian hawks can go to destroy Pakistan.
“Over last few years, R&AW is covertly executing an offensive second phase operation, Chanakya II, which employs a “win trust in disguise, divide and conquer” strategy. While R&AW continues to expand its spy network outreach deeper into Afghanistan and Pakistan, paradoxically, this strategy also includes sponsorship of groups that professedly preach a vehemently anti-India, pro-Pakistan, nationalistic ideology to the Pakistani masses. R&AW covertly nurtures media personalities, think-tanks and defense analysis consulting groups in Pakistan who attempt to squarely influence Pakistani popular thinking stoking the anti-establishment sentiment and a foreign invasion paranoia. R&AW assumes that this strategy would raise a new leadership in Pakistan that would first win the trust of the masses, then infiltrate into the corridors of Pakistani political power, and finally work in disguise towards the consolidation of Indian influence on the entire Indus riparian.”
This is great. The khatam e naboowat fanatics are now going after Zaid Fraudia hammer and tongs. I predict that ISI will dump this joker very soon (I just hope they dont kill anyone in the process) because they cannot afford to completely shatter the Mullah-military alliance.
Btw, I do think that this Zaid Hamid nonsense is much much shallower than the mullahcracy nonsense. Mullahs have 1200 years of history and a real religion behind them. This Zaid business is concocted on the fly from bits and pieces of Allama Iqbal and Jeenah bhai and Qudratullah Shahab thrown in with ISI masala and “crush india” and heated with “pakistan ka matlab kya”. Its a very unstable and pathetic mixture and its not going anywhere….
@Salim What you are are saying, whatever happens in Pakistan is India’s fault, ani-India, pro-India and anti-Pakistan sentiments are the work of RAW? Does it make sense?
What India will gain attacking Pakistan? Why India would like to inherit a mess that is Pakistan? Pakistan is on the path of self-destruction as a result of mess of its own creation. Pakistani religious fanatics supported by army and ISI to gain strategical advantage against India in Afghanistan and Kashmir will lead into Ghazwa-e-Pakistan, not India. The biggest threat to Pakistan comes from army and ISI nexus who is creating imaginary US, Israeli and Indian threat for their self interests to control Pakistan. In other countries, army makes sacrifices to protect country but Pakistani army is sacrificing country to prtect itself. It was not India, why Pakistan lost Bangladesh, it was due to Pakistani army. Pakistani army will do everything to keep power and to undermine democratically elected government, paint civil government as week, corrupt etc. If Pakistan disintegrate, the army and ISI will be responsible again, as it was in Bangladesh. Pakistanis should identify who is true enemy and stop blaming India for their mess and problems.
zaid hamid is onde of the worst persons after kiasuf kazab, i know the reality and propoganda against Islam and Khatm-e-nobowat. he is deceiving all the muslims ,so please avoid……………………………………
I am from India and I have been watching him reasonably often and I find Zaid Hamid fascinating.
He has created a narrative for Pakistan that is more compelling than what even Jinnah or Post-England Allama Iqbal could’ve created. I say that because the case for Pakistan, IMO, was never convincing.
About his vitriol against India – I honestly don’t think he believes it himself. I suppose he is saying certain things because he want to keep his fans on track – and that means do some predictable India bashing.
J.C.
Someday a real historian like Manan will look into the genesis of this particular narrative. Not in a superficial “analyst” manner, but really dig up sources and references and see where the trail starts and where it leads. Zaida has not invented this idiocy by himself. He had help. Look into Qudratullah Shahab, Ashfaq Ahmed and Mumtaz Mufti, then into the peers and “thinkers” THEY were following. Its an interesting story. Of course, Zaida takes it to new heights of idiocy. But there is a long story behind it.
About the India bashing, I think it seems peripheral in the sense that the narrative is really about how the creation of Pakistan is the first step in the revival of a new Islamic empire (madina e saani), but at an emotional level, that is the heart of the matter. After all, these are Indians who hate nothing as much as they hate the idea of India. Psychohistorians will generate many papers and grants writing about this after the whole thing dies (hopefully with a whimper, but there is a non-zero probability of ending with a real bang accompanied by mushroom clouds).
At the level of his followers, this is a very very brittle ideology. I have seen people explode in anger, then break out in tears and then become a committed Zaid-hater in the space of a few hours. The whole things is a psychiatrists dream…..
@Omar
For India bashing, we have to undertsnad the idea and philosophy behind Pakistan’s creation. Pakistan’s creation was based on negativity (India – muslims = Pakistan), it was not even muslims + mulims = Pakistan. Pakistan’s creators didn’t realise that the country will come with responsibilities to its citizens, they spent energy and time to prove that UP muslims can’t live with Hindus and a separate land will solve all economical and social problems facing muslims. After partition, where India concentrated its efforts to unite the country, abolishing feudal system and land reforms etc. Pakistan’s emphasis was on getting more Indian territory based on religion, ignoring economical and social reforms, settlements of displaced muslims from India. Pakistan was a disaster from first day, UP muslims for whom Pakistan was created and faught for it, became 3rd class citizens and Bengalis refuse to accept Urdu. Islam that was the founding stone for Pakistan’s creation turned out to be the problem. Islam might work for monolithic muslim society and Pakistan was not. Pakistan can’t go bashing muslim Iran or Afghanistan (that will be accepting the defeat), it has to be secular Indian system. Pakistan was an artificial country without Pakistani citizens, Urdu a foreign language. That is why Pakistanis are insecure, have identity crisis (pretending to be Arabs) and should hate everything that is Indian or have to do with India. Pakistan spent more time to stop India progressing rather solving its own problems. Pakistan has to cure it self from pathological obsession of comparing with india if it has to progress and develop.
Yahoodi, I think you overestimate the role of ideology in national life. I think all intellectuals do that. In actual practical details, Pakistan is not as different from India as you may imagine. Somethings work, many do not, but its not a black and white comparison. Roads in Pakistani Punjab may be better than in Indian punjab in some areas, not in others. Agriculture has developed more in India, but not by a huge margin and in the last 2-3 years there has been a surprising transformation in the fortunes of rural central punjab (I speak anecdotally, someone else will have to get the figures, but I can tell you that in our village the pendulum has swung in favor of the villagers for the first time in decades…..due to inflation, farm products are selling for more, city poor are in worse shape than rural poor). Education has improved in the cities. Services provided by the private sector have definitely improved. Islamic Pakistan is still doing better than secular Bihar or UP. I agree that at a macro level the incoherence of the basic national idea leads to nonsense like military rule and jingoistic India-bashing, and jihadi terrorism has caused a huge crisis of its own, but even WITH all that, the lives of most people are not as different as you may imagine. I think IF Pakistan had stayed on the jihadi course, then in 10 years the difference would become glaringly obvious, but I also think its NOT going to stay on the jihadi course. I think the two countries are joined at the hip and if one improves, the other tends to follow…we watch India too closely to be left too far behind. All this Zaid Hamid nonsense is really the dying embers of the jihadi dream. Its going going gone….I did say there is a non-zero possibilty of going with a bang, but its not a large probability.
I agree, Pakistani Punjab and some other regions are more advanced than UP and Bihar. Agriculture sector is still not well developed in certain parts of India. Pakistan should invest more in education to counter and dilute jihadi influence. I also hope that Pakistan will not stay on self destructive jihadi course and will soon find its way out from present mess. More depends on how Pak army will react to the situation. Will army think more about development, progress and future of Pakistan? The regional political stability is crucial for the economic progress of south east and central asia. Jihadi terrorism will push back region to dark ages and will further add to the misery of the people’s lives.
Beh-Yahoo-di
Your problem is you are very jealous of what ever progress Pakistan made in years. You have to search a Pakistani defense analyst and have to comment about him and Pakistan, which shows how scared you are as an Indian and Hindu. It shows the inferiority complex you have. I have no problem understanding your fear as your forefathers were ruled by Muslims for 1000 of years. Why you are sacred I can see, because of the Nukes we have in Pakistan. Which is a threat to your so called dream of united India. Well as you are not accepting the very existence of Pakistan, why we should accept your progress as a nation. The killings India are doing in Kashmir and the Muslim killings in Gujarat on the name of religion… is this you called progress and democracy…. I can go on and on … you have a lot of problems in your country and sure Pakistan can exploit it easily … as India is exploiting and you are explaining here ……but we have a bigger mission … we will progress and make the whole India as ONE ….United sates of Pakistan. Oh yes …now you will say it is not possible …but if you as an Indian talk about United India then it is possible …go work for your slum dog Indians and solve there problems …Stop day dreaming..… Not good for your own country …because if we start our progress you will be history ………………we will solve our problems in Pakistan. …. Dont you worry… When ever there is a chance India move there forces from east side of Afghanistan borders in the from of Indian embassy ambush and west side of Indian borders and you think we are not aware of it and then at the top of that you talk about peace. Indian make deals with US and Israeli militants…to harm Pakistan… is this not terrorism…??. Yes this is called State Terrorism. We will defend our nation Pakistan at any cost and with full force and move ahead this time to complete the mission for United States of Pakistan.
Insha Allah.
Pakistan Zindabad.
Oh well, the show is over. It looks like the mother of all agencies has dumped him (Ahmed Qureshi has announced that he does not agree with Zaid Hamid’s views about Yusuf Kazzab, LOL).
Poor guy, I feel bad for him now. Left to twist in the wind, he may even be bumped off by someone one of these days. And the burger jihadis who were getting all excited on the internet, poor souls….i feel even worse for them. Will they be left all alone with their A-level cram sheets and their dreams of Maria B? Oh, the humanity!
I know, I am being cruel. I really do feel bad for the mummy-daddy jihadis. Most of them are such nice souls with such high hopes. I hope this does not make them cynical for life and I hope some of them find more positive causes to contribute to. And of course, I am thankful that nobody got hurt. The way things are in Pakistan, they could easily have become “collateral damage” in some Jewish-Zionist-Hindu-ISI plot.
Re: “And the burger jihadis who were getting all excited on the internet, poor souls….i feel even worse for them. Will they be left all alone with their A-level cram sheets and their dreams of Maria B? Oh, the humanity!”
You need to do a humor post man. I laughed out loud on the amtrak train, surprising my fellow passengers…
And I shamelessly borrowed the following lines for a facebook post… forgive me!
“Poor guy, I feel bad for him now. Left to twist in the wind, he may even be bumped off by someone one of these days. And the burger jihadis who were getting all excited on the internet, poor souls….i feel even worse for them. Will they be left all alone with their A-level cram sheets and their dreams of Maria B? Oh, the humanity!
I know, I am being cruel. I really do feel bad for the mummy-daddy jihadis. Most of them are such nice souls with such high hopes. I hope this does not make them cynical for life and I hope some of them find more positive causes to contribute to. And of course, I am thankful that nobody got hurt. The way things are in Pakistan, they could easily have become “collateral damage” in some Jewish-Zionist-Hindu-ISI plot.”
Zaid Hamid has been making many tall claims in his talks. I shall talk of a few:
1. The myth of 1000 years of Muslim rule over India
Muhammad bin Qasim did enter and capture Sindh in the 8th Century but that ingress was not a stable one and boundaries of Islamic Caliphate kept on changing. Mahmud Ghaznavi did not really establish any empire over what is today known as Pakistan and India. It was only when Muhammad Ghori captured Delhi that a Sultanat with Islamic character was created in the region. The year 1192 AD.
Islamic rule over Delhi in some form or the other continued till 1857 but it kept on waxing and waning during this period.
The most prosperous and progressive period of Islamic rule was when it moved away from the rabid variety to more assimilative and accommodative regime, in Deccan and in the Mughal Durbar.
Zaid Hamid will do well to remember that other than Spain, where there was a violent reaction to Islamic rule and consequent expulsion of a reasonably benevolent and progressive regime, India remains the only country which did not convert to Islam in totality.
2. The threat of another Panipat
First Battle of Panipat was in 1526 between Ibrahim Lodi and Babur – both Muslims.
Second Battle in 1556 was between Mughals and a usurper Hemu who happened to be a Hindu but whose main forces comprised disgruntled Mughals.
The Third Battle in 1761 was between Ahmad Shah Durrani – an Afghan and the Maratha Confederacy, mainly Hindu forces, for suzerainty over the Mughal Kingdom – which was hardly an empire now. Marathas lost and Durrani captured Delhi, looted a Muslim kingdom, carried home the booty and slaves, including Muslim women and children.
So which Panipat are you threatening India with Mr. Hamid?
Would you also care to remember the Qatl-e-aam in Delhi by Taimur and Nadir Shah at different times in History? These were both Muslims and Delhi was the Capital of an Islamic Empire if one is to believe your story of 100o years of Muslim rule.
3. You speak of India as a land of Hindu Zionists.
You should remember that Zionism as a philosophy is more alien to Hinduism than to Islam. The growth of Islam in India was not such a painless process as Islamic revisionist historians would have us believe. Sindh does not regard Dahir as a tyrant even today or Muhammad bin Qasim as a benevolent invader. The cry of Allah-hu-Akbar has been used by the faithful not only in praise of Allah but also in perpetrating intolerable atrocities on the defenceless and the defeated. While the greatness of the invocation cannot be held in doubt, its use for not so holy purposes is also not to be doubted, especially when it is reduced to a battlecry as many other battlecries the world over.
4. Khyber Solution
Please do not invoke the name of the Rasul (saw) of Allah in your puerile theorising.
Mr. Hamid grow up and become a good Muslim and a good Pakistani and stop this childish petulant behaviour. The world, and our neighbourhood, would be a better place if you desisted from warmongering.
Have faith in Allah.
Gopal, you are right, but that means absolutely nothing to Zaid Hamid or his acolytes. This is not about what actually happened in history (how is the khilafat e rashida a model society? model for what?). This is about ISI getting back in the saddle in Pakistan. Even the India-bashing is secondary to that objective.
Beh Yahoo di..
I am with you on all counts and charges. It is really as simple as you put it, though the solution seems equally grave and impossible. Of course there always will be people (as is embedded in our desi psyche) who’ll readily jump forth and shoot down other people’s views and take arguments to another direction, totally overlooking the obvious.
Just to add to your point where you say no one is bothered about Pakistan and it’s development – From what I’ve been seeing and reading and hearing (thanks to the net) there is one person who can bring hope to the country if people really rally behind him sincerely. It’s Imran Khan.
Imran Jamaat-e-Islami-lite-Taliban-apologist Khan?
To, Date: 10-04-2009
The Nation
Keeping in view our political ethos it is imperative to establish a modified / streamlined system of establishing national governance structure by giving every political segment its due share. The state should play supervisory role, regulating and controlling every thing through Public institutions. Individual authorities should be seized.
1973 Constitution gives right of governance only to the majority party and ignores the right of governance to minority parties and disappoints the citizens / voters who vote for regional leadership. In frustration they demand more regional autonomy. Although a constitution basically defines the manner in which sovereign power is shared (and exercised), the 1973 Constitution gives, to the Prime Minister or the President, absolute power to appoint the COAS, the CJ, the Secretaries, the Ambassadors and the Ministers etc and, generally, to post and transfer officials on Key Jobs. As a result, it breeds, instead of Leaders, civilian dictators, thereby creating such situations as attract periodic military interventions. It is, therefore, that no Constitutional amendment can, unless and until we readdress our sovereign code, prevent a military coups. How long can we circumvent the constitution and end up with amendments and failures? All proposals are time bound and need to be adopted at an appropriate time frame.
To keep the nation united I therefore propose a national government with rights of governance to all political parties represented in the parliament. The period of five years 1825 days should be divided by the 272 seats of National Assembly. The party securing highest number of seats should head the Government first followed by second highest to the lowest. Elected members of national and Provincial Assemblies in election 2008 should be given a right of heading one Ministry. All intellectual and interested members should submit proposal of reforms of each ministry they are interested to head. Best from them should be first minister followed by better and good up to the last. Every member must get chance of heading one ministry in his turn equally to all of his colleagues. This is the only solution to make sure that assembly will complete its tenure. It has become absolutely necessary to adopt a system which could meet the challenges faced by our nation. Time demands broad based democracy based upon five basic institutions. Education, Economics, Justice, Defence and Executvies.
RELIGION: Compulsion is incompatible with religion because religion depends upon faith and will, which would be meaningless if induced by force. Therefore, we need to introduce a faith code inbuilt with a system for utilizing the ‘mosque’ as a citizen centre.
ECONOMICS: We need to introduce new codes with inbuilt mechanism to transform feudalism into corporate farming which will provide us an opportunity to synchronize, on the one hand, demand with production and, on the other, production with consumption.
JUSTICE: We need to develop and introduce a preventive, instead of a punitive jury code, so that the colonial judicial system inherited by us can be discarded and replaced by a preventive system of justice.
DEFENCE: Army should be made responsible only for Geographic Boundaries (Air, Sea and Road) without any compromise. But Civil Defence needs to be designed on citizens input. Govt. should have only supervisory role.
As a result of such reforms, each of our codes will not only be rendered in consonance with our ideology, religious reservations, cultural traits, natural resources and economic opportunities but also compatible with our present and future needs in the modern world and international community.
Being a society architect, I feel disturbed to see my country in total disarray. I am available, in the national cause, for any query or feedback.
Best wishes for a prosperous Pakistan.
SYED AMMAR BUKHARI
cell.+923212345617
http://www.theradiantpath.org
EVOLUTION OF HUMAN CULTURE
1) FAMILY CULTURE: from ADAM to NOAH
(Peace be upon him) (Peace be upon him)
2) TRIBAL CULTURE: from IBRAHEEM (Peace be upon him) to DAWOOD
Versus (Peace be upon him)
NIMROD (Warrior against Lord)
All human were speaking same language. Nimrod confused the language by adding present tense and it became language of BABYLON with three tenses. Whereafter all worldly rulers have been using three tenses in their languages.
The Quran was revealed, in the Arabic language, in the Past and Future tenses alone and, therefore, is not allowed to be recited, during prayers, in any worldly language due to this incompatibility of tenses. However, many scholars, while interpreting the message of the Quran, confuse the meanings on account of the use, in their languages, of three tenses.
NIMROD (Warrior against Lord) raised the Tower of Babel to compete with Bait-Allah (Makkah) built by IBRAHEEM and ISMAIL (Peace be upon them). While the builder of KAABA is called MAEMAAR and his followers are Believers, Nimrod, the builder of the Tower of Babel, and his followers are called FREEMASONS who have all along been trying to corrupt the believers in revealed religion by promoting such worldly ethics as compromise on don’ts like Free Sex, Alcohal, Gambling, Usury etc.
(Tribal cum Agri-Culture): from SULEMAN to MUHAMMAD
(Peace be upon him) (Peace be upon him)
3) AGRICULTURE: from Muhammad to 18th Century
(Peace be upon him)
4) INDUSTRY CULTURE: from 18th Century to 1998
5) I.T. CULTURE: from 1998 to the End of the time.
SECULAR CODES OF CAPITALISM
1. AS ORIGINATING WITH, OR EVOLVED BY, NIMROD OF BABEL, PHARAOH OF EGYPT, SAMARITANS OF SAMARIA ETC:
COMPASS
SET SQUARE
RIGHT ANGLE
RIGHT ANGLE 90°
90° x 4= 360 °
COMPASS DIVIDES
CIRCLE IN 6 EQUAL PARTS OF 60° EACH 60° x 6= 360 °
UNION JACK
(SEX ACT)
PYRAMID
(ALL SEEING)
EYE
ORGAN
OBELISK
• Masonic Symbols:
Compass, Square
Eagle, Lion, Goat etc
• Common Metonym Code 3
Emblem of Two Babylon
• The freemasons desire to reinstate Two Babylon,
or the Kingdoms of King NINUS and Queen
Semiramis, which underlies the unending conflict
in the Middle East, (Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan,
Pakistan and other countries as shown in the
following MAP:
Map of two Babylon
However, this dream state of NIMROD (Warrior against Lord) and his followers has little chance of ever becoming a reality.
2. New World Order with Multi Codes for Multi Culture Society:
• Illuminati Eye and Pyramid
- Alphabets assimilating the Pyramid and the Compass : A K M N V W X Y Z
• Metonym Codes applied for industrial culture : 1, 3, 5, 7, 9
• Multi Metonym Codes evolved: 3, 4, 6, 9, 13, 33
• Best Coordinated Evolution of Codes: Till August 8, 1970 (33)
8+8+17
• Maximum possible evolution of individual: On September 9, 1998 (9)
Codes in multi culture society. 999
• Highest point of mutual conflict of illuminate Since March 3, 2001(9)
codes inherent due to use of mighty force 333
against its good:
• Economic decline is grounded in capitalism
where the capitalist, though investing, as
promoter/administrator, minimal/nominal
amount and obtaining major funding at
concessional interest rate, retains full profit
of the business but his liability is, in the case
of loss, limited to the extent of his share holding.
• As the time theme, with its mystery in March 4, 2012 (12)
relation to human history, demands a 345
new coding of the I.T. culture, the last
day for de-coordinating such applied and
Evolved codes as are incompatible with
I.T. Culture:
NEW TIME DEMANDS A NEW WORLD ORDER: From May 5, 2012 (6)
555
• Possibilities of a New World Order:
http://www.maemaar.org.pk/securitycodeofcapitalism/possibilitiesofanewworldorder.htm
The demand of Time – A Global Alliance of
Jews, Christians and Muslims:
We need to get our vision adjusted to the logic of events as they have unfolded in the beginning of the 21st century. If the believers repent and
correct their course to pursue such values as conform with the universal
plan, design and order of GOD, they are rewarded with world leadership. In case, however, they do not play this role, Nature permits the evil, for the correction of course, to gather momentum and rush with fury to a WAR ON THE BELIEVERS who, after substantial loss, are united by TIME to once again play a role on the world stage.
3) MEETHAQ-ALMADINA
- SURA ALMAIDA:
And you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: We are the Christians. That is because amongst them priests and monks and they are not proud. Verse-82
- SURA ANBIA
Verily, this brotherhood of yours is a single nation and I am your lord and cherisher. Therefore serve me. Verse-92
- SURA MOMENON
And we gave Moses the book, in order that they might receive guidance. Verse-49
And we made the son of Mary and his mother as a sign. We gave them both shelter on high ground, affording rest and security, and furnished
it with springs. Verse-50
And verily this Ummah (Brotherhood) of yours is a single nation.
Verse-52
- SURA ANKABUT
And dispute ye not With the People of the Book, Except with means better (Than mere disputation), unless It be with those of them Who inflict wrong (and injury), But say, “We believe In the revelation which has Come down to us and in that Which came down to you; Our God and your God Is One; and it is to Him We bow. Verse-46
Bokhari sahib, you take the cake, or whatever prize Sepoy is offering for most imaginative post of the year. Wow! Very funny and genuinely entertaining. Not since Hazrat Lewis Carrol (pbuh) has anyone combined serious purposes with such an unfettered imagination. Great work.
Omar Bhai
Wonderful comment on Janab Bokhari. I really fell off the chair.
@umarcaliph
Asatoma Sad Gamaya, tamaso ma jyotirgamaya
O Lord, Lead Us From Untruth To Truth, From Darkness To Light.
>>The killings India are doing in Kashmir and the Muslim killings in Gujarat on the name of religion………..
How many people have died in Pakistan from Islamic sucide bombs, even in mosques, how many muslims Pakistani army has killed in Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Jia ul Haque in Palestine?
umarcaliph bhai, I don’t have inferiority complex or afraid, scared of anything but you are, Insha Allah. Bhai, I m not going to waste time on you in future, sorry.
God bless you
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Many people have asked about the past history of Yousaf and his relationship with Zaid Hamid.
This is a complete 1 hour answer explaining the history, relationship and reality with formal evidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjtH3HwPMBE
i dnt knw much abt it but as he appears , seems that he is a gud character for the future of pakistan ……….. but unlucky wot v r hearing now a days is totaly against our thinkings so i ll ask him to clear himself to get rid of these evil blames … it would help us n the generation to b on the right path …. thx
Why is Mr. Zaid Hamid spreading rumors like saying that the mumbai attackers were hindu zionists??…This after the Pakistani establishment has accepted that the conspirators and attackers were pakistanis.
Furthermore, he is openly insulting USA..and ally-cum-ATM of pakistan…The things that he says about India and Israel. He keeps on quoting history…like the Mecca Medina Khyber story (check youtube for this video of Mr. Zaid Hamid’s message to india))…Its insulting and degrading..Does he think that if Pakistan attacks India..india will do nothing?? does he actually think that after such a conflict pakistan would be able to stand on its feet???…let me make one thing very clear..the only reason why the subcontinent still exists is because india has always exercised restraint…if instead of india, pakistan would have had a country like israel as its neighbor..this region would have long decended into total anarchy like iraq!!!
His open support for the mujahideen infiltrating into india is actually corrupting the mindset of ordinary pakistanis…constant war rhetoric by both countries is not helping..
Talks are futile if not backed by action!!!..this inaction has led so many in india, and im sure in pakistan also, to question the whole concept of bilateral talks…are there ability to restore peace…if pakistan today gives up people like Dawood Ibrahim and Hafeez Muhammad Sayeed..im sure india would go out of her way to bring peace to our very turbulent region..i hav more i want to say on this isssue…bt i need some more time to recollect my thoughts!!!
Over last few years, R&AW is covertly executing an offensive second phase operation, Chanakya II, which employs a “win trust in disguise, divide and conquer” strategy. While R&AW continues to expand its spy network outreach deeper into Afghanistan and Pakistan, paradoxically, this strategy also includes sponsorship of groups that professedly preach a vehemently anti-India, pro-Pakistan, nationalistic ideology to the Pakistani masses . R&AW covertly nurtures media personalities, think-tanks and defense analysis consulting groups in Pakistan who attempt to squarely influence Pakistani popular thinking stoking the anti-establishment sentiment and a foreign invasion paranoia. R&AW assumes that this strategy would raise a new leadership in Pakistan that would first win the trust of the masses, then infiltrate into the corridors of Pakistani political power, and finally work in disguise towards the consolidation of Indian influence on the entire Indus riparian.
LOL. Good one Javed. But I have an even better one: According to the latest report from the Daily Mail’s Christina Palmer, operation Chanakya II recieved such a high credit rating from Price-Waterhouse last year that the elders of Zion have decided to fold it into the IPO of MahabharataI. Agent Mata Gandhari (at great risk to her blind life) has provided all the details to Aabpara consulting, who issued their analysis of the IPO on June 16th 2010 under the title “Bloomsday or Doomsday? Is the Ulysses project a Trojan horse”?
Simple-minded Muslims are sitting ducks for this strategy, but aabpara consulting has taken up the challenge and inshallah after hundreds of millions are dead, the few, the proud, the marines will ride on their white horses with Hazrat Jesus (pbuh) as he descends from the clouds in Khorasan. As we know, only 1200 true Ghazis will ride with Hazrat Jesus (pbuh) on that fateful day. May Allah grant us the privilege to be one of the elect, ameen.
His popularity speaks about the quality of the audience in Pakistan. Never thought the likes of him will ever have audience or gain so much popularity. Then it can happen only in Pakistan.
He needs to me reminded that India and Pakistan got Independence together and after all these years, ‘India is famous all over the world where as Pakistan is notorious all over the world’. That is the difference between the two countries and hence no comparison can be drawn between the two.
im like you and your big fan plase contuenes im lison your program klafte rashda
i m prod of you
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