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	<description>what is the vertiginous chapati saying to me?</description>
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		<title>By: Athar</title>
		<link>http://www.chapatimystery.com/archives/homistan/tick_tock_v.html#comment-34181</link>
		<dc:creator>Athar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Musharraf says a lot of crap on the 4 man show...you have to check this out!! :D

http://www.vidpk.com/view_video.php?viewkey=286785161</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Musharraf says a lot of crap on the 4 man show&#8230;you have to check this out!! :D</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vidpk.com/view_video.php?viewkey=286785161" rel="nofollow">http://www.vidpk.com/view_video.php?viewkey=286785161</a></p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.chapatimystery.com/archives/homistan/tick_tock_v.html#comment-32907</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Also in grand academic tradition, I am recycling."

Not "recycling," but "spreading the word." Spread the word!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Also in grand academic tradition, I am recycling.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not &#8220;recycling,&#8221; but &#8220;spreading the word.&#8221; Spread the word!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Umar</title>
		<link>http://www.chapatimystery.com/archives/homistan/tick_tock_v.html#comment-32492</link>
		<dc:creator>Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's the original article in the Sunday Times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2115356.ece

There's plenty in the article that suggests she's keeping all options open... her loyalists are now even suggesting a "Chaudhry Conspiracy" against the party... lest we assume that it means the Brothers Chaudhry of Gujrat Sharif, they mean a completely different pair of Chaudhries:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20077\22\story_22-7-2007_pg3_3

(Aside: "King" Zahir Shah's dead... what an eventful life he's had... RIP I guess...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the original article in the Sunday Times:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2115356.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2115356.ece</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s plenty in the article that suggests she&#8217;s keeping all options open&#8230; her loyalists are now even suggesting a &#8220;Chaudhry Conspiracy&#8221; against the party&#8230; lest we assume that it means the Brothers Chaudhry of Gujrat Sharif, they mean a completely different pair of Chaudhries:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20077" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20077</a>\22\story_22-7-2007_pg3_3</p>
<p>(Aside: &#8220;King&#8221; Zahir Shah&#8217;s dead&#8230; what an eventful life he&#8217;s had&#8230; RIP I guess&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.chapatimystery.com/archives/homistan/tick_tock_v.html#comment-32428</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel ashamed in asking this, but I don't really know what the "deal" entails. Times of India in May reported that she would be able to return if she supported the Mir Khan Jamali government.

****


Umar:

"Then again, she says she might come to an arrangement if such an arrangement is necessary for ensuring fair polls… confusing?"

Not confusing, just very middle of the road. I think she is less interested in a robust, democratically active citizenry than she is in her gaining political power. Hence, the odd stance. So she's "bit of an opportunist." 

But now I am not in a generous mood anymore, so I say she is TOTALLY A HYPOCRITICAL OPPORTUNIST. :)

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=52217

And speaking of this deal, here's what Nawaz Sharif had to say:

"Referring to the PPP’s deal with President Musharraf for the upcoming elections, he said: “It is not a matter of elections, but the restoration of democracy without the army’s involvement.” 

“Freedom cannot be begged, but one should struggle for it,” he added. 

He expressed his reservations about the recent growing contacts between the PPP and the government. He said the PPP had violated the CoD, as the accord “prohibits any deal with a dictator”."

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C07%5C23%5Cstory_23-7-2007_pg7_19

On PPP's own website, in May this was published. Who's scared of the deal? Why, no one who's interested in "democracy"! And anyway, you can't bring democracy through "street protests" and of course, "President Musharraf is not averse to political deals if they bring stability and promote democracy."

http://www.ppp.org.pk/Party/Party%20Issues/P_articles61.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel ashamed in asking this, but I don&#8217;t really know what the &#8220;deal&#8221; entails. Times of India in May reported that she would be able to return if she supported the Mir Khan Jamali government.</p>
<p>****</p>
<p>Umar:</p>
<p>&#8220;Then again, she says she might come to an arrangement if such an arrangement is necessary for ensuring fair polls… confusing?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not confusing, just very middle of the road. I think she is less interested in a robust, democratically active citizenry than she is in her gaining political power. Hence, the odd stance. So she&#8217;s &#8220;bit of an opportunist.&#8221; </p>
<p>But now I am not in a generous mood anymore, so I say she is TOTALLY A HYPOCRITICAL OPPORTUNIST. :)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=52217" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=52217</a></p>
<p>And speaking of this deal, here&#8217;s what Nawaz Sharif had to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;Referring to the PPP’s deal with President Musharraf for the upcoming elections, he said: “It is not a matter of elections, but the restoration of democracy without the army’s involvement.” </p>
<p>“Freedom cannot be begged, but one should struggle for it,” he added. </p>
<p>He expressed his reservations about the recent growing contacts between the PPP and the government. He said the PPP had violated the CoD, as the accord “prohibits any deal with a dictator”.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C07%5C23%5Cstory_23-7-2007_pg7_19" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C07%5C23%5Cstory_23-7-2007_pg7_19</a></p>
<p>On PPP&#8217;s own website, in May this was published. Who&#8217;s scared of the deal? Why, no one who&#8217;s interested in &#8220;democracy&#8221;! And anyway, you can&#8217;t bring democracy through &#8220;street protests&#8221; and of course, &#8220;President Musharraf is not averse to political deals if they bring stability and promote democracy.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ppp.org.pk/Party/Party%20Issues/P_articles61.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ppp.org.pk/Party/Party%20Issues/P_articles61.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Umar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>News! She seems to have changed her mind... apparently admitting that she was contemplating a deal, she says that the Supreme Court verdict means she doesn't have to:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20077\23\story_23-7-2007_pg1_1

Then again, she says she might come to an arrangement if such an arrangement is necessary for ensuring fair polls... confusing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News! She seems to have changed her mind&#8230; apparently admitting that she was contemplating a deal, she says that the Supreme Court verdict means she doesn&#8217;t have to:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20077" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20077</a>\23\story_23-7-2007_pg1_1</p>
<p>Then again, she says she might come to an arrangement if such an arrangement is necessary for ensuring fair polls&#8230; confusing?</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.chapatimystery.com/archives/homistan/tick_tock_v.html#comment-32327</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinkminos:

"i had to smile at the understatement."

Yeah, I  know... but I am in a generous mood. Only for today, though ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kinkminos:</p>
<p>&#8220;i had to smile at the understatement.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, I  know&#8230; but I am in a generous mood. Only for today, though ;)</p>
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		<title>By: shiromoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>shiromoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 06:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sigh:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/weekinreview/22mazzetti.html?ref=world

the newspaper of record, getting me down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sigh:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/weekinreview/22mazzetti.html?ref=world" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/weekinreview/22mazzetti.html?ref=world</a></p>
<p>the newspaper of record, getting me down.</p>
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		<title>By: sepoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sepoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 00:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guardian has an investigative piece on &lt;a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2130089,00.html" rel="nofollow"&gt; Musharraf/Bhutto&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guardian has an investigative piece on <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2130089,00.html" rel="nofollow"> Musharraf/Bhutto</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Umar</title>
		<link>http://www.chapatimystery.com/archives/homistan/tick_tock_v.html#comment-32229</link>
		<dc:creator>Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I should've put liberal/left in inverted commas too... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I should&#8217;ve put liberal/left in inverted commas too&#8230; :)</p>
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		<title>By: kinkminos</title>
		<link>http://www.chapatimystery.com/archives/homistan/tick_tock_v.html#comment-32228</link>
		<dc:creator>kinkminos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;&#62;&#62; That leaves &lt;b&gt;the liberal/left&lt;/b&gt; “represented” by a dictator and an opportunist…

hmmm... never thought of it like that. 
have to admit ol' mushy's stance has often seemed a lot more "liberal/left" than any political party's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; That leaves <b>the liberal/left</b> “represented” by a dictator and an opportunist…</p>
<p>hmmm&#8230; never thought of it like that.<br />
have to admit ol&#8217; mushy&#8217;s stance has often seemed a lot more &#8220;liberal/left&#8221; than any political party&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Umar</title>
		<link>http://www.chapatimystery.com/archives/homistan/tick_tock_v.html#comment-32219</link>
		<dc:creator>Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, what can one say about BB... in 1988, she had the world at her feet, and look what she did to that opportunity... picture: the man who hanged her father was dead, the establishment had conjured up the IJI and rigged the elections, but still couldn't stop her from winning, she had been greeted by hundreds of thousands in Lahore no less upon her arrival in 1986, and whats more, when they found out that she was pregnant, the dates of the elections were chosen to coincide with the delivery (they actually missed it by a month or so)... and the generals were unwilling to accept her as PM, but in the end they had to give in... the first female head of a Muslim state, educated, eloquent, good-looking... and look what she did...

The trouble with the Bhutto clan is that they've always taken the loyalty of their voters for granted, as if its their divine right... I remember reading "The Terrorist Prince" last year, and Raja Anwar was of the opinion that this tendency afflicted not just BB but her brother too... when Bhutto pere was overthrown, some of their workers set themselves on fire to protest... the Bhuttos just took this for granted... similar examples abound...

Going by their past record, the best the PPP workers/voters will do is to stay away from the polls if they're angry at BB for her deal with Musharraf... more likely, they'll come up with some sort of justification for the deal... in either case, the combined opposition, featuring the MMA will gain from this, not to mention the PML-N and the Tehrik-e-Insaf... lest we forget, they're enough to the right to be more comfortable with the MMA than with the PPP anyway...

That leaves the liberal/left "represented" by a dictator and an opportunist...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, what can one say about BB&#8230; in 1988, she had the world at her feet, and look what she did to that opportunity&#8230; picture: the man who hanged her father was dead, the establishment had conjured up the IJI and rigged the elections, but still couldn&#8217;t stop her from winning, she had been greeted by hundreds of thousands in Lahore no less upon her arrival in 1986, and whats more, when they found out that she was pregnant, the dates of the elections were chosen to coincide with the delivery (they actually missed it by a month or so)&#8230; and the generals were unwilling to accept her as PM, but in the end they had to give in&#8230; the first female head of a Muslim state, educated, eloquent, good-looking&#8230; and look what she did&#8230;</p>
<p>The trouble with the Bhutto clan is that they&#8217;ve always taken the loyalty of their voters for granted, as if its their divine right&#8230; I remember reading &#8220;The Terrorist Prince&#8221; last year, and Raja Anwar was of the opinion that this tendency afflicted not just BB but her brother too&#8230; when Bhutto pere was overthrown, some of their workers set themselves on fire to protest&#8230; the Bhuttos just took this for granted&#8230; similar examples abound&#8230;</p>
<p>Going by their past record, the best the PPP workers/voters will do is to stay away from the polls if they&#8217;re angry at BB for her deal with Musharraf&#8230; more likely, they&#8217;ll come up with some sort of justification for the deal&#8230; in either case, the combined opposition, featuring the MMA will gain from this, not to mention the PML-N and the Tehrik-e-Insaf&#8230; lest we forget, they&#8217;re enough to the right to be more comfortable with the MMA than with the PPP anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>That leaves the liberal/left &#8220;represented&#8221; by a dictator and an opportunist&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kinkminos</title>
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		<dc:creator>kinkminos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 06:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>damn! i hate it when over-enthusiastic systems take a colon and some other seemingly harmless keyboard character and turn it into a yellow monster like the one in the previous comment, so i'm not going to risk a grimace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn! i hate it when over-enthusiastic systems take a colon and some other seemingly harmless keyboard character and turn it into a yellow monster like the one in the previous comment, so i&#8217;m not going to risk a grimace.</p>
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		<title>By: kinkminos</title>
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		<dc:creator>kinkminos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 06:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:)
i had to smile at the understatement. calling BB (you may expand this handy acronym any way you please) a "bit of an opportunist" is like calling asif-z "a naughty boy" or "President" Dick Cheney "a bit of a scoundrel". 

and yes, i hope the feudally-minded PPP and its feudally-spirited voters can finally grow the b*lls (there's a request here to "keep it clean") to ditch the b*tch, so to speak. (i doubt it though)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:)<br />
i had to smile at the understatement. calling BB (you may expand this handy acronym any way you please) a &#8220;bit of an opportunist&#8221; is like calling asif-z &#8220;a naughty boy&#8221; or &#8220;President&#8221; Dick Cheney &#8220;a bit of a scoundrel&#8221;. </p>
<p>and yes, i hope the feudally-minded PPP and its feudally-spirited voters can finally grow the b*lls (there&#8217;s a request here to &#8220;keep it clean&#8221;) to ditch the b*tch, so to speak. (i doubt it though)</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umar:

Speaking of Ahsan, he called the reference against the CJ "the mother of all evils..."

"BB has a history of giving in to the generals… it is said that she was ready to cut a deal with the man who hanged her father."

I may be wrong, but she has always struck me as someone who doesn't really have a clear and consistent platform of her own; her positions are often whatever the overriding popular sentiment at the time is. She's a bit of an opportunist, in my opinion.

And in reference to what you have said about Bhutto, Comment is free published this speculation that Bhutto and Mush are discussing a "power sharing agreement:"

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/simon_tisdall/2007/05/_pakistans_odd_couple_eye.html 

Ugh. One victory (CJ one), but several setbacks- Bhutto, the PPP's reported solidarity with Mush, and the US' unwavering support of Mush in light of the National Intelligence Estimate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umar:</p>
<p>Speaking of Ahsan, he called the reference against the CJ &#8220;the mother of all evils&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;BB has a history of giving in to the generals… it is said that she was ready to cut a deal with the man who hanged her father.&#8221;</p>
<p>I may be wrong, but she has always struck me as someone who doesn&#8217;t really have a clear and consistent platform of her own; her positions are often whatever the overriding popular sentiment at the time is. She&#8217;s a bit of an opportunist, in my opinion.</p>
<p>And in reference to what you have said about Bhutto, Comment is free published this speculation that Bhutto and Mush are discussing a &#8220;power sharing agreement:&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/simon_tisdall/2007/05/_pakistans_odd_couple_eye.html" rel="nofollow">http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/simon_tisdall/2007/05/_pakistans_odd_couple_eye.html</a> </p>
<p>Ugh. One victory (CJ one), but several setbacks- Bhutto, the PPP&#8217;s reported solidarity with Mush, and the US&#8217; unwavering support of Mush in light of the National Intelligence Estimate.</p>
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		<title>By: Umar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the PPP does support him, I hope the party rank and file finally ditches its blind support for BB, and that at least some of the leaders do too, and break away from the mother ship... in Aitzaz Ahsan, they have an electable leader... of course he's been around for ages, but after driving the CJP around the country and dishing out yet another defeat to Sharifuddin Pirzada, he's more than just an intellectual in the Senate...

BB has a history of giving in to the generals... it is said that she was ready to cut a deal with the man who hanged her father, no less... luckily for her, he died... this time too, she wants to go against the will of her voters by supporting Musharraf... I just hope her voters finally see the light of day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the PPP does support him, I hope the party rank and file finally ditches its blind support for BB, and that at least some of the leaders do too, and break away from the mother ship&#8230; in Aitzaz Ahsan, they have an electable leader&#8230; of course he&#8217;s been around for ages, but after driving the CJP around the country and dishing out yet another defeat to Sharifuddin Pirzada, he&#8217;s more than just an intellectual in the Senate&#8230;</p>
<p>BB has a history of giving in to the generals&#8230; it is said that she was ready to cut a deal with the man who hanged her father, no less&#8230; luckily for her, he died&#8230; this time too, she wants to go against the will of her voters by supporting Musharraf&#8230; I just hope her voters finally see the light of day&#8230;</p>
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