The Secret Lives of Internet Cafes

Net cafés do amazing business in Pakistan. In the 80s, the easiest way to keep your wayward son employed was to open up a PCO (Public Call Office) in the neighborhood. You rent a shop, install a phoneline, a desk and a chair. People come and pay you 10 rupees to make a phone call. Easy money.

Those PCOs were converted into internet access points (no beverages are served on premises) by late 90s. In 1998, a rough survey of Lahore produced an average on 10-12 cafés per neighborhoods. Now, that ratio is to one per street.

Surfing for information for yesterday’s post, I came across this editorial in Jang Daily from April 28th. It told a story of internet, sex and exploitation gone horribly wrong (as opposed to all the times it goes wonderfully right, i guess). I translate:

These Net Cafés by Jawaid Chaudhry

In a Rawalpindi market, two years ago, someone set up a Net CafÈ; he constructed small cabins, placed computers in them, put a screen door with locks on the inside, installed lights in the ceiling and hidden in the lights, installed cameras. After the grand opening, young men and women started to patronize the establishment. They came alone or as couples, went into the cabins and viewed “dirty” websites on the computers. The owners of the establishment recorded these activities and would later show the movies to the couples and blackmail them for dirty deeds. This carried on until around 25 couples were ensared. A CD was compiled and send to Dubai where it sold for 10 lakh (about $100,000). Copies were made and sold in Britain, US, France and Germany and finally, made their way back home. In the beginning, these CDs were sold for four or five thousand rupees in Lahore and Islamabad. A gang got hold of the CD and tracked down the 25 families of the couples. They delivered the CDs to those houses. This caused an instant firestrom. Three of the girls in the scandal committed suicide. One was killed by her father. Two were divorced . While the boys ran away from their houses. Some of the young men on the CD belonged to very prominent families of Rawalpindi. These houses fell prey to blankmailing from the gang.

One of the elders from these families came to me. His only child had killed herself. He was in extremely fragile condition. He told me the whole story and cried that these monsters have destroyed entire families. Please tell the government to take pity on us and stop the violence permeated in the guise of technology. The gentleman left me and I don’t know if he is still alive or not but his problem remains genuine. There are thousands of Net Cafés in this country. Most have cabins. Young boys and girls from colleges and universities go to these cafés, open “dirty” sites and embark on the path of sin and destruction where many blackmailers are sitting. If the Government pays serious attention, this can be resolved easily. There are thousands of software in the world that eliminate obscene websites. The Pakistan government should install these filters on all internet services, register all Net Cafés, issue license of operations, impound unlicensed sites, and ban the use of cameras in all such facilities. In the meantime, all cabins should be abolished. Proprieters should be told to prohibit morally corrupt sites and movies on the premises and teams of enforcers should tour and arrest non-compliant owners.

Someone else was telling me that some stores have installed cameras in their “try rooms”. Some export these films overseas and exploit the children. The government should also pass laws against cameras in changing rooms. Places where cameras are installed should notify the customers via a public sign board. I have seen many places in Europe, America and Canada where they are installed as traffic camers. In USA, it is against the law to record any image or movie without permission even voice recording. In America, even a president, Richard Nixon, lost his government when he secretly taped his opponents but there os no such laws in our country. People have put secret cameras and recorders everywhere and their phone calls even are taped and used later for blackmail. No one knows how many houses have been destroyed by this.

[i snip the rest]

The interesting thing here is that the author, in the case of Net Cafés, wants to regulate the internet itself but, in the case of changing rooms, is satisfied with laws against hidden cameras. Presumably, the same law against hidden recording should solve the Café crime as well as the changing room crime.

The divergence in his solution comes from an old-and-tried argument that television, cinema, western books (and now the internet) are mere conduits of sin and depravity for the youth of Pakistan. The corruption occurs by mere exposure. Hence, the lack of appropriate laws is not enough as the depravity will continue in the Café. They argue, that what needs to happen is a control over the flow of unchecked smut. In case of Pakistan, that means regulating the internet, in case of USA, it means going to the source.

I also want to state that the blackmailing industry hinted at in the editorial is, without a doubt, prevalent and pernicious in segments of the population. It is largely due to the fact that even a rumor can destroy the life of girl. Families have no choice but to comply with the blackmailers to prevent something like that from happening. The way to break that hold is to shift the blame from the victim to the oppressors. A girl who dates, or has an affair is not Evil Incarnate. She should NOT be killed or stoned. sigh.

P.S. While looking around for information on the Pakistani Net Café scene, I got this entry by a pakistani blogger also looking at the same issue – and more here.

update [May 24, 2004]:I am going to temporarily suspend comments on this entry as the discourse seems to be in a downward spiral of righteous religiosity and morally-sanctioned retribution. To be frank, I am quite disturbed by some of these comments and almost deleted them. However, I will let them stand to testify to the shamelessly premodern conceptions of an individual human still prevalent in Pakistani society.

update: comments are reopened but please keep moralizing to a minimum.

213 Replies to “The Secret Lives of Internet Cafes”

  1. Asalami-e-alikam friends.
    I read the comments given here. All persons have different view and argument. But according to my point of view following are the responsible of this incident ,First of all parents, Media and Social evils.
    My question is that why parents do not check regularly that what his or her child do. what kind of its interest , and how they spent there free time. My request to all of parents that must make strong attachness with their childrens, and convey to the childrens that you are not lonely, and regulary asked their studies.
    According to my observation presently of youth feel lonelyness that nobody is interested in his affairs, Every one becomes selfish today, Everyone talk about their issu just and don’t think that another expect what from it.
    Second thing is media espacielly electronic media.Because they have a number channels promoting Vulgarity in the society and unfortunately educated people take , much interest in these channels programs and dramas. Everyone knows about it. Even our news channels are alos playing importent part in this vulgarity by advertising naked body commersials numbers of time in 24 hours. In these what kind youth you can expect from this society will produced.

    One Most importent thing i want to add in my disscussion.
    I request to all of parents plz plz pay huge attention to the Religious Education of their childrens to make him/her a great muslim and feed of good sociel society.

    Remember all these points when someone Become parents. I think it would be helpfull for them.

  2. all this is due to the poor insight of sex. teach ur children about sex very clearly, 90% of children want to try out everything in this world. they want to learn everything in this world. when sex becomes a mystery they want to try/find it out. sex is a natural instinct. and the parents do those filthy things or not their youngs want to do it. u can lock all the girls in the community inside ur home,still some one will elope or have incest inside the home ,as it is a body instinct. better learn obout ur body instincts and learn to control it as human beings should do and then teach about sex to ur siblings. just by killing a child the parent shows he is not a literate human being. u can never imply anything for long in this world by tyranny. through love and education the so called islamic countries can win their childs heart and then the world.

  3. Hi, I watched those movies and followed the tragedy. I have come from england after living theire some years. I do not think those movies are strange. I bet any person, boy or girl, you and me, will do exactly the same if we were at there place. It is human nature folks.
    In pakistan we people are MUNAFIQS. we are MUNAFEQEENS because our actions and our belifs are totally opposite.Those in net cafes did a minor sin. Infact it is their love, or action they did because thery are human beings.

    Do you kill a male cat fucking a female cat in your house infront of your family just becuase male cat fucked and raped the cat. Do you kill the same male cat fucking another femal cat. No you do not because you say these are animals.
    Then why the fuck you kill human beings, poor women, in name of KAROO KARI, or honour killing where she did the act in private and with consent. While the male fucker gets away. This is MUNAFQAT.

    The blackmailers and hidden cameras are the real culpurits. Please every one stop saying ISLAM ISLAM ISLAM. Before becoming a Muslim, we should become a human being not an animal.

    If a boy and girl does something with consent it should not b a big deal. Girls living in pakistan are mostly exploited by blackmailers. The problem is that we , pakistanis are cauught up in a paradox of old text book Islamic thoughts we received by the MULLAS and reality. Islam is till day of judjment. Even in ISLAM is the concept of IJTEHAD. ISLAM is for every time which means the most intellectual , charactered and edjucated persons with knowledge of ISLAM should do IJTEHAD. Which means moulding or using the same ISLAMIC tool in a different way. Means common sense says all over the world Muslims are getting beaten up just because of our MUNAFIQ Judiacial systems in our own countries. Women gets more respect in non sulim countries then in Muslim countries.

    There should b a respectable laws for women. There should be an independent welfare centers for women all over the country. Where the women from any family, rich or poor tak shelter. Then there should b a HARDCORE STRICT LAW SYSTEM as in u.k. Where some one can not DARE to stare a women even if she is walking naked on London roads. Because if that woman complaint and call cops and tell them that man staring at me. the man will be put in jail. This is JUSTICE. Justice is the right of every human being whether, Muslim, Hindu, Sikh etc.

    Unfortunately Pakistanis are the world most highest hypocrates where men fuck girls and call girsl outside their houses and kill their own daughters for KAARO KARI, if she develops a relationship. WHY?

    PLZ PLZ PLZ, we should first develop a society based on justice then gradually bring the society towards REAL ISLAM.
    Hazrat Ali said, ITS MAFHOOM IS, a fair judicial system of KUFR will survive while an unfair judiacial system of Truthfulness will fail.

    My deep deep condolences for the poor victims, girls who were murderded by this MUNAFIQ SOCIETY of PAKISTAN.

    IN SEARCH OF JUSTICE FOR A NEW PAKISTAN,

  4. i will discuss the last entry. He is very right. We should follow the path of Islam and law should be made for marraige of youth with in the age of 16 to 21.

  5. We are an extremist society. We look towards religion to find any answer and end up finding a twisted answer concocted by our own mental shallowness. I don’t care what people think or what people don’t think. Before we are muslims, christians or jews, we are humans first. Nobody should forget that. God created us, our bodies. He made sexual organ that go active at the age of 13 at most. Our religion say, get your youth married when they are sexually ripe. In Pakistan, youth are being crushed in the society and they get married well in their thirties. Some people say even Masturbation is “Haram” in our relgion. Somebody just tell me what would you do between the ages of 16 to 30. What would you do for 14 years god damn it. Sex is a human need and it is a healthy activity. If it was in my power, i would have shot that cafe owner and the mastermind a million times.

  6. This is not shame ful for pakistanis becaus blonde womens (Tawaif & kanjriaaaan) are living in the whole world.If some people are right then some are also wrong.
    Five fingers on hand and all people in the world are not equal.I proud my country pakistan and my religion Islam.

    ok

  7. its not a matter of FIA or anyother. cafe owner did very nice. bcoz he shows that how there kids doing when they go out. so its mistake of parents not of netcafe owner.

  8. Sex is a very natural and very real need. It is simply unnatural to suppress it. It does not matter in which country one is in or to which religion one belongs to. We are fighting against nature when suppress sex or wipe it off our minds. The country which has laws against obscenity (which is a very broad term). Laws which strictly prohibit publication of porn, there are public decency laws, so no one can be seen kissing in public. laws against homosexuality – rather a public display of it, it will exist in the privacy of homes. A homosexual will remain homosexual. Because of these laws information about the use of condoms is never clear, to prevent pregnancy and to prevent sexually transmitted diseases the most incurable one AIDS. Many young people have died because of this ignorance. Birth control pills should be available to all females with no questions asked. There are a several young lucky people who have understanding parents. Who do not associate sexual needs as something shameful and dishonourable. These young people have healthy sex life because they are informed and educated about it. They can choose to marry or not to marry not being forced into marriage.
    Once all these laws are abolished, first of all the sense of frustration and disappointment will end. Many people will be freed from guilt associated with it. The porn industry thrives on guilty pleasure. But if people are free to decide what kind of person they would like to be, will change the attitude of society. All the people who have posted here sound afraid. Because society has repressed them so much that they can only express themselves in only one way. Although what they feel and really like are completely contradict their views. It is as if they have been castrated since birth and have no sexual desires at all for women or men. Pakistanis are just as sexually active as people in any part of the world, if that was not the case our population would not be 170 million today. Sex and birth are linked sadly to say. Your father screwed your mother to give birth to you and you will have sex with some woman she possibly may be bearing your child or some other man’s and you will none the wiser. Your sister will get married and she will have sex with some man (if she is more adventurous, some men). Perhaps you are gay but are too afraid to admit it and you would have childless marriage because you only to have sex with men not women. These are the facts. No one can say they never masturbated and did not have some weird fantasy in their mind. Both men and women masturbate and it is natural. In public we deny it but privately admit it is true. What if your father dies and your mother decides to remarry, would think less of her if she does so. Before anything she is person and sex is an integral part of her.

  9. salam to all ,

    i m a indian and i think the cause for such things in pakistan is unemployment, lack of government policies, lack of islamic guidance to the young, and parents nowadays r least concerned about children when compared to the older generation, and mobility is also an important factor. ppl go to differnt provinces and take advantage of there annonymity in the new province or in the new city. i think govt policies, islamic teachings and family values can stop these things.

  10. Asslam-o-alikum to all,

    the incident took place in our sick socity was devastating, which compel to commit sucide innocent girls, many families were shatterd and still facing aftershocks. we certainly dnt have any right to commint, becoz being a nation we are sick, our structure of brain is being turnd towards rotton and nasty stuff, we are gettng from this socity. v have forgotton our norms, our customs and traditions, Rizk-e- Haram have been added in our lives.

    words can never encompas unfathomable grief of those parents, lost their child. this unflinching diseas is burning the brains of our upcoming genration.
    seems insurmountable to hold it by our “good GOVERNEMENT”. ” khud he kuch krna pare ga.

    May Allah bless u all

    Profound regards,

  11. Unfortunatley when rule of the law does’t exit some place everything went wrong. Its fairly simple to put filters for these website many islamic countries have done already. Our leaders infact had sold youth, if you just open any browser in these net cafe without doing anything everything will open. Its everyone responsibility our media barely talk on this, they need judges judges judges…*ss *hole

  12. Everyone is talking about the so called poor people who committed suicide or whose lives were destroyed by the blackmailers. No one is asking them about what they were doing in the net cafes….. Shame on them!!!!

  13. Hah…
    May Allah bless all of us, and keep away from devil.

    All the problems related to SEX DRIVE will INSHALLAH start getting solved. If we start implementing islamic teachings in our day to day lives.

    <Early age marriage was one of the solution to control SEX DRIVE of people engaged in this scandal.
    Also this was never to happen, if we had tought our children the golden saying of our beloved prophet (P.B.U.H):

    "THE THIRD ONE IS THE DEVIL IN THE MEETING OF A BOY AN GIRL IN LONELINESS".

    May Allah Bless all of us, and grant courage to cope with devil. Ameen.

  14. Apart from this I am worried about the same type of exercise which is more dangerous because the same is done privately ” guys record the moment of love making with their girl friend, fiance,even wife,etc and upload them for free avialability through net”. Where is self respect and privacy. It is very bad with our beloved nation’s sisters.What will be the consequences of this,while netcafe’s one already has ruined the life of 25+25 families for the sack of 10 lac only .MAY ALLAH BLESS OUR NATION AND OUR COUNTRY.AAMEEN.

  15. Hello,
    I want to say that all the brothers and ladies that pakistan is our country.yeh hamara country hai aur hum ny ese theak krna hai

  16. I read the comments of some men here that say , that unless the girl doesnt want nothing happens.. Its very unfortunate that the men in our society think they can do what ever and get away with it. Who gave men the permission to do what ever they want. Does Islam give it? Does the government give it?.. its just so lame for men to think that its ok for them to do what ever and it doesnt matter ..

    For those men who think it doesnt matter .. well heres an eye opener .. U WILL DIE ONE DAY AND WHO WILL SAVE U THEN. ITS NOT PERMITTED IN OUR RELIGION SO THERE IS NO REASON TO JUDGE GIRLS AND GIVE UR LAME COMMENTS.

    and for the guys and girls who did make this mistake, no one has the right to judge them , every person makes mistake and there is no reason to exploit ppl like that..

    May Allah forgive Them and Give those mindless idiots who exploit ppl a little humanity

  17. Asalam alakoum
    My name is Asad Ullah Khan i am the student of Architecture.
    My suggestion is that every parent should be very frank with there child otherwise this will happen again in future and Islamic Law should be impose in Pakistan rather then English Law of 1905.
    A gang was involve in this activity because i was done at large scale.
    One day i sit in the park a man come to me and told me that “i have girls of school,college and uni do you want any”. That kind of group is involved not boy or girl is targeted to say that they are wrong may be they belong to good family be rouin there life by that broker(DALAL).ake.

  18. Mr Bilour a prominent Politician of Peshawar earned billions from porn films that were shown in his cinemas in Peshawar. They also sell condoms so that people may relieve themselves during the shows. What do you expect from the government ?
    PORN!

  19. i am very upset for all of this . every have a past and there giltyes but you can not appologise like this.pnishment not for that peoples in the cafe.we punished that black melers.and that cafe owners.they made of those peoples life getting die…

  20. Listen up and listen up good because I read all of your damn comments on this page(plus the article)…and needless to say over 90% are biased, wrong, blind (religion, culture, not being educated,ect), and a great example of how ignorant both America AND everyone else (the world) can be. All told it isn’t about race the majority of America is stupid and the majority of every other country is stupid. No exceptions, no racism, just fact.

    Now lets get down to business. Simply put it isn’t the persons who video taped its fault. It is all of your own damned fault. For creating a taboo that is irrational and contradictory to the NATURAL human experience, of course I am speaking of the natural curiosity of sexuality. If you as a people did not become so damn conservative and think this is “sin” or wrong or not supposed to happen due to your culture let me tell you now you will NEVER accomplish this task and you WILL be defeated in due time. If you as a people accepted sexuality as a necessary part of humanity you wouldn’t be so outraged and ashamed, there would be no scandal, and life would continue on.

    So all this talk of getting rid of cameras and setting up internet site blockers won’t get rid of the problem. LOL you know WHAT? It won’t even slow it down, not even a bit. You know what it WILL do? Haha you’ll love it. It WILL only encourage people to look for those “dirty sites”. Like an adult who never got to eat his favorite candy as a child because his mom said no…now he eats it everyday.

    Oh and Ahamed? You say it is your culture for boys and girls not to chat and stay shy? Yet the internet lets them chat. So the internet is bad now? No sir indeed you were the problem all along. The internet just gave them the opportunity to talk…one you denied them for so long. Culture and religion should not interfere with human rights and if they do they are void. Guess what? Yours is void for violating freedom of speech, pursuit of happiness, …so many others..

    Iqbal you say we shouldn’t comment anymore? Keeping the thread alive is also seen as bad custom on internet forums. Why? No reason really other than to move on to the next thing. But the situation doesn’t move on…the problem does not move on. Should you forget this happened it will only happen again. You are held responsible now to remember and do whatever is in your power to stop it from happening again.

    Three of the girls in the scandal committed suicide. One was killed by her father. Two were divorced. The suicidal ones are your fault. The flawed rules and ideals you make them accept at birth skewed their sense of what is right or wrong from their very birth. The father was a conservative idiot who can only think of honor and whats right for “the greater good”, the ones that got divorced prove their relationships weren’t real to begin with since their marriage couldn’t last the most minuscule and laughable of obstacles. Yes laughable, they make videos of people catching their friends (male or female) watching “dirty sites” in America, Britain, and all the sane countries. They call it a joke. You call it sin. Sin you must pay for with your life, respect, honor,…ect. Ridiculous really.

    Grow up and become civilized. Then you won’t have these problems. You’ll have OUR problems. Then maybe just maybe…you can advance on to the best plate. My problems, as an intellectual who views and comments on all this nonsense yet can have no hand in stopping it. Perhaps I should make my own nation.

    No crazy people allowed.

  21. I 200% agree with Mr. Liaquat Ali and Ms. Sana. Beauifully shown us what we are. Atleast i own it.

  22. I have seen most of the material avaiable. I do not blame the couples involved in such act(s) coz all of us are not so MOMIN. It is God who know how bad and how ugly we are. No one is perfect so Allah never encouraged to make such acts public. The men / gang involved in such game much be punished. His criminal adventure took many lives. Such things cannot be prevented, these have been done in the past which is continued today and will in future. These will occure and can we say that these are not being done today. No dear these acts are being done every where around us, every day and every minute and moraly and ethically we should not advertise these things. Every one has its private life and no body has any right whatsoever to ruin it. Try to love humabeing and human values and hate sins.

    Bye and take care.

  23. Dear Nations!
    IF YOU ARE DOING SUCH THINGS THEN READY FOR THE WORST OUTCOME OF THESE THINGS…SPECIALLY GIRLS ARE LOOSING THEIR ALL. SO KINDLY MAKE OUR COUNTRY FREE FROM SUCH BAD HABIT, OTHERWISE GOD WILL NEVER FORGIVE US…

  24. the videos should have never been recorded

    What people do in their private lives is their business not for anyone else to judge.
    Let god do the judging… and in any case all the people who have commented here arent angels themselves…. every1 has done something in their lives which if recorded and put up on youtube wud embarass the hell out of u…so please refrain from judging others

    One advice for all the super moralistic people here

    RELAX…. u don’t have to play god and judge others… just be human and relax.

  25. This is so sad. I guess the person who was responsible including everyone in the “team” should have been made a national issue and put on the electric chair and then hung a 100 times. This is so sick, what the girls n guys did is a result of the “amazing wonderful western culture” that we Pakistanis welcome via the silly old cables and dishes on each street in Pakistan.

    First thing that has to be done is to tell children from the start what they should NEVER do and that is to trust anyone who claims to “love them” and makes them do something like this… kids to bache hote hi hein lekin bade to bade banein!

  26. it is not smthing to discuss and make it as large, dosnt matter, they were enjoying their life with their lover, so pak is an islamic country that is Y the make this issue so big, if the allow the cuoples so the will not do this in net club, it means that if the strict more and more but the pple do their enjoyment if it is in net club or along the street..lolzzzz im complety fine with this issue, they did well as the did.

    THANKS

  27. i think its a really very cheap act from the internet cafe.bcz acording to islam if god do not open any one secreate than we human being should be carefull abt this.
    we have no right to c any 1 private life
    may god blesss the families has been destroyed by thease kind of stupid things and give them peace and calm

  28. I HAVE ONLY TWO WORDS FOR THESE VIDEOS MAKING GANGS…… FUCK YOU ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL …………… EVERY1 MAKE MISTAKES BUT GOD FORGIVE FORGIVE AGAIN ND AGAIN BT WE PEOPLE R SO SILLY REALLY ……………………………. SO PLZ PLZ GIRLS AND GUYS BECARELYYYYYYYYYYYY SPECIALLY GIRLS PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  29. Is there any technology which has not been misused ? Technology has always been misused but it is the government, who control the misuse. A gun can be good and evil at the same time. The same is with the net cafe. It is good and evil at the same time. If the owners use it to earn and spread computer education, it is a good thing but if they are using as it was, then it is of course evil.
    I did not see the morale of the Jang story. That what happened to the owner of the net cafe. Instead of these guys and girls, who commit suicide or run away from homes, it was more logical to punish the net cafe owner. So that nobody dare to do the same in future.

  30. my questions are the same ..
    those girls who commits suicides..what were they doing in cafe on the very first place?

    the problem with our nation is that its way much emotional
    If a truck driver killed a baby the people kill that driver on the spot without even thinking for a second that whose responsible for such thing..the mothers who let there small children run away and play on the roads. I have seen many times that they are walking on roads with there children like its some sort of fuckin amusement part :/ And once someone get killed then its the driver fault always…

    SO to all the people who are saying that those blackmailers were the bad ones or the cafe owner is responsible..

    please review your opinion regarding it…

    IF YOU GIVE SOMEONE CHANCE TO MAKE A VIDEO OF YOU >>>WHY DONT THEY USE THAT CHANCE ….

    IF YOU ARE DOING SUCH THINGS THEN READY FOR THE WORST OUTCOME OF THESE THINGS…

  31. DEFINITELY WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION. THE FIRST THING IS TO CONTROL OUR CHILDREN. BASICALLY OUR MEDIA IS SUPPORTING WEST. N OUR YOUNGER GENERATION IS FALLOWING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. WE HAVE TO CHECK THEM AND TAKE NECESSARY PRECAUTIONS FOR THEM. I KNOW ITS A HARD TIME FOR ALL THOSE WHO LOST THEIR BELOVED ONCE. BUT STILL THEIR IS LAGGING IN OUR SELF SO FIRST WE HAVE TO CONTROL OUR CHILDREN. I M SO SO SO SORRY FOR ALL THOSE WHO LOST THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS. MAY GOD HELP US TO HELP OTHERS. GOD BLESS N SAVE OUR PAKISTAN. N DESTROY ALL THOSE WHO TAKE PART N BLACK MAIL THE YOUNG BLOOD.

  32. You cant just lash a bunch of people for these things. The blackmailers are the ones to be punished, what two people do is their own business. I know its disgusting engaging in sexual acts in public but some of these girls apparentley ended up commiting suicide, they didnt deserve to die over this.

  33. i m here to ask only 1 thing?all the ppl who have seen that cd and start blaming the owner,guys and girls.r they doing the right thing? by insulting them while doing the same thing by themselves that they r watching these movies and cds crap.” think before u speak” secondly hwy every one is blaming those girls? guys r performing the equal parts no one talks abt them. just pray to ALLAH and try to protect urself

  34. Whatever was committed by those girls was obviously wrong but someone tried to find the owner of net café and killed him. He was the one who should have been tortured to his death and should had been made an example out. And his stories should have been discussed on this forum

  35. yeah what i wanted to say and i forgot
    i am not very smart man and do not have much knoledge i am only 26 years old and i have commited lot of sins my self
    so if i have said some thing please forgive me
    and if there is any girl ot guy wants to send me an e mail to let me know what does he or she thinks about what i said
    you can send me an email
    at
    milli0n_d0llar_baby@yahoo.com
    or
    at
    atom_bomb82@yahoo.com
    thank you very much

  36. Ok boy and Girl i have not read all of you people,s comments about this incidents . but still i will say there are lots of people out there who are talking about this but not thinking about the reasons which has caused this .
    now you got to think for a minute what was the reason caused this and how is this wrong how it could have been prevented and what are the mistakes people made in the socity and culture which lead these young men and women to this act
    Now lots of people believe and say oh My God this against Islam Allah said punish these people who do this kind of things
    But let me tell you why did this Happen
    Allah says that punish these people who do this kind of thing but before all that
    Allah said
    you should get your kids merried at the age of 17 and 18
    What is the reason of that brothers and sisters there is big reason of this because of what Allah mian told us to do this the reason
    At the age of 17 and 18 a child has the desire to have Sex
    boy wants a girl
    and girl wants a boy
    but we people have become so matiralistic
    that we care about Dunyavii things and forgot about the great teachings of islam
    now what do we want
    when we are arrainging our sons wedding we want girl,s father to give 2500000 rupees Jahiaz
    now that takes time some people can not afoard it and that takes more time and then what happens that girl get older and now she is 22
    and she has a huge desire of having sex because that is a requiremant of life if you do not do it you are breaking a rule of islam
    just like haveing sex with a man who is not the girls husband is bad not havning sex when you are supose to is bad also
    now she has a desire
    now her nafas is trying to make her think bad
    same thing with the boy
    for the boys it is even harder to control them selve
    people want boys to make money so they can feed their wives
    but like i said it takes time
    and now during that process of making money for his future wife and kids he get older
    now his nafs is trying to make him think bad also
    and this is the time
    when lots of bad things are created
    lots of bad thoughts are born
    this is the reason lots and lots of boys and girl masterbate
    this is the reason lots of people watch blue (XXX) films
    For some people this is enough to amuse them for some this is not
    now when a boy and girl do not get merried until they are 25 yrs old and now they so much desparate to have sex and they like each other but can not get merried because of stupid man made rules
    that is the time when Devil takes the control of their brains
    and make then so some thing wrong like this
    now we all know this
    that
    in islam it is not right to do any thing like this
    but as i said
    In Islam it is not right to stay un merried
    after the age of 17 to 20
    and the reason Allah told us to this
    is the one what i just told you
    Allah made this rule to keep us away from the bad things like
    XXX movies
    and prostitution
    Zinaa
    when you break one rule there is very very very great chance that the rules which are related and depending of the rule which u have broken will be broken also
    we know this is wrong
    people who did it knew that was wrong
    but still it happened
    i am sure lots of people said oh God this is against islam
    this is that they should be killed
    brothers and sisters
    so can not solve this problem by killing any one
    to solve a problem
    you got to go to the roots of problem and find out what is causing that problem and cut the root
    because if you will not cut the roots the tree of sins will grown again it will take some time but yeah it will grow agian and thats what we do not want to do
    so what i want you people to do is
    calm down dont be angry
    and try to find the solution try to think that how can we avoid this to happen in future

  37. It’s really a pity.

    But what can a sex starved, jobless, poor, uneducated, denied, cornered nation with Punjabi’s do.

  38. I think this is just because of missuse of internet and opertunities, If we Fallow The Islam then we dont have any problem like this, Roshan Khayale(Boroad Mind) this is not broad mind i think this is sick mind.
    If we are Real Muslim then we dont face any problem like this.

  39. I really feel sorry about these families who are going through this tragedies. Honestly, I think there is a lack of
    education in our society and system. First of all, every parents must inform their children about being recorded
    in Netcafe. This will give awareness in children and adults what might be the consequences if cough on camera.
    Also, it will at least force in youngster to think twice before doing an y inappropriate behavior.
    Sexual desire is a natural act started at very early age, most of our TV, Dramas,movies and internet made it easier
    and must thing which appeals every teens and youngester to do something out of families value. Regardless, how much
    you protect your kids from being spoiled you would not be success unless you straighten yourself first. Look at
    around you what are you giving to your children and what output you expect you will see crystal clear.
    ‘GOD DOES NOT PUT HARM TO YOU, BUT YOU DO YOURSELF’
    Pakistani people tend to be the most aggresive in all, that might be in favor or harm if it is being used wrongly.
    Please take your time and talk to your families on regular basis with enough time so they understand.
    “Time to spend for others not for desire”

  40. the sex is basic need for human and all other creatures but there is a right path provided by our religion.a person who is on a right path will be honoured by his society members.in my opinion sorry to say as some of u may not agree wd d fact that the persons doing such activities should be kill scarcely along wd their fellows.all such activities are due to our implicit behaviour toward religion.goverment is responsible mainly for such problems.if HERE r rules laws and regulations according to ISLAM such scandals will be ended so rapidly as flour from a poor person,s home.good bye.

  41. SO the only solution that can create a big difference is someone from us has to get up, gather people around him, n punish the sinners no matter who is he or what his or her family is. There will be no gang rapes, no child abuse, no murders, no red lights. We can not leave things around us like this we have to think n we have to do something now.

  42. Most of the times girls are responsible more than boys. About committing suicide,they did bcoz they were unable to face others. Well leavin it. The actual solution is what islam told us. Just implement all the SO CRUEL PUNISHMENTS of islam n it all will b over. I bet u. But again another problem n that is inequality. Why to punish lower class people and no punishment for people who have power, status and many other same things. Humans are equal. This will happen. Already there lives are miserable n these punishments will make no difference.

  43. Seen one of those net cafe videos, where to me the girl seems very reluctant to be engaged in such infamous activity. Anyway at the end she does get engaged and VERY WELL engaged. Sorry for the description. Here some questions arise:

    1) What does she want to prove by acting reluctant? Is it that she is innocent and she could use her then-reluctancy afterwards as her mental comfort that the whole thing that happened was not in her hands?

    2) Did these Cyber Cafe owners do an evil thing by making these videos?

    Sexual urges are sort of injected in every human being and animal by our Almighty while He was creating us. But the ability to control them is what separates us from other animals. Getting involved in sexual activities before marriage is a great Sin and is called Zina, of what we all know. I do bother to speak up here just for ONE reason.

    – This thing is distracting and completely ruining our young generation, who are now spending most of their time going after gals –

    A study says guys haven’t changed at all since the last thousands of years, regarding these sexual matters, as they have always had more desire for sex. But at then times they were sex starved or would get married as soon as they hit puberty. As a result no such activities were done. But now they are apparently having better times since the Female generation have changed a lot. Their mentality, their stature, personality characters have changed. Maybe an influence of the media or what ever. Girls now give them more chances. They just provoke a guy’s sexual desire and compel the guy to ‘compel’ themselves into all these. Well there is not much to say. Both of them do have fault. But the thing is why not a single guy commited suicide on the release of those tapes but several girls did? – If she realises it’s a Sin why did she commit it at the first place? I think, it proves that they will do any evil deeds as long as other people are not aware of it. For a conclusion it can be said that They are doing nothing but destroying our youth. Distracting our youth. Drawing them away from there should-be point of focus. Our nation will be destroyed. Although the cyber cafe owners had evil intentions but at this point I would like to say that their evil deed could be used as a strong weapon against the young generation and their notorious activities. We need punishment. Not comments. Seeing all these today i wish we had all those yestercenturies punishment established in our nation- 100 slashes , or stoned to death. Because These are what CAN REALLY HELP US NOW!!

  44. All of us has described the problems & their ugly faces,, now the question is how we can solve these problems? when these issue are very deep in our socity.

  45. I was searching for ‘child labour + prostitution+ Child abuse’ information when I come across some clips of internet cafe scandal. First response was ‘shocked’ and then followed ‘the tears’ and ‘shame’. Never in my wildest imagination I expected anything like that happening in Pakistan. May be I have lived abroad for too long isliye didn’t realize Pakistan has advanced so much. I feel so sorry for all the girls who were used by those men. WHat I gathered from the clips is that those girls didn’t know what a shameful act they were doing. They were just an object of pleasure for those guys, who were using them for their aiyashi.
    Abuse of female is very common in Pakistan. Everyday, you’ll see the news about rap,domestic abuse, honour killing etc. How come females are victimized brutally in a so called muslim country and men manage to get away with anything. Go to http://www.youtube.com and search for child labour, protitution, women abuse and you will find uncountable no of vidoes of documentaries based on true stories (narrated by the victims themselves). I think the most popular programme is ‘Taboo’ of Geo TV. Its extremely shocking and heartbreaking. Makes me wonder if there is any law in Pakistan. No wonder Pakistan is facing one crisis after another.

  46. Please.. Please.. Please.. !!!
    Lets STOP our Generations from being Destroyed. It is not their fault since they are not fully matured in their approach to life, some may be unlucky and may be deprived of better parents and teachers, some might be caught by the black sheep of our society, some might be ruined by the environment the live in,….
    ” Oh Brothers/Sisters !!! Lets realize this and Help our younger ones ”
    Lets struggle with our own abilities possible.
    Lets raise this issue to the loudest possible. In Newspapers, Articles, newsposts, Threads, Television, Talkshows, Magazines, motivational moves in our society, realize the govt. to whatever extent possible, ask political parties to include this in their agenda and assure enforcement,…etc.
    THAT IT !!! THIS IS THE MOMENT !!! The need is adopt any of the possible means and put our due share.
    AGENDA:
    1- Application of Filters on Gateways that Mr. Awais Leghari (Minister) had promised.
    2- Proper control on Television channel content that is broadcasted.
    3- Print media content control.
    4- Laws against camera use.
    5- Registration of Internet Cafes.
    6- Laws against the film industry(whether local or foreign). Laws Specific to the content made and sold.
    7- Laws against the Film shops that operate.
    8- Laws against Cinemas that are destroying the nation to a greater extent.
    9- Law against selling and production of Alcohol for it contributes to nothing. No excuses shall stop from banning it.
    10- Banning Smoking because what do we get out of it!
    11- Fight against all Filth and Rubbish in the Society (in whatever form they exist) that destructs us.
    Neither of Our Religion, Our Constitution, Our Masses, Our Culture, Our Familiy values allow this.
    I Suppose this a Thread that is initiated in our Hearts-n-Souls. This can be our lifes noble objective and whatever we contribute would be repayed would be everlasting.
    Contribute !!! For it our Country and Nation.
    Brothers!!! and Sisters!!!
    ” ALWAYS BE AN OPTIMIST, AND STRUGGLE STRUGGLE STRUGGLE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN THE ONLY WAY TO SUCCESS”

  47. salam .
    well i jus wanna say every one passes his solution of banning internet cafes or things lyke dis . but i dont think dis is solution . every one knows that these girls n guys r not porn stars n they did nt done it 4 money . they were only frustrated 4 sex n dats the basisc need of humans n i considered them innocent . islam shows us the right way of marrying .so ma advise iz 4 parents not think jus about thir childten education but also have to think about
    there marriages when ur children grows aduld . plz parents dont close ur eyes jus by saying ma son or daughter iz nt lyke dis . anyway take care of ur selves .bye

  48. Total Blame goes to both sides.

    Alot of comments have been passed.

    But reality is that the couple and as well as net cafe authority.

    But most responsibility goes to net cafe admin.

    Its a fact that if someone provide such envoirement to “You and me” or to other one like cabens in net cafe or something like this, so we can get an advantage of this.
    And things like this can happen even by us.
    We are not angels.
    But if envoirement will strict than these things cannot happen.

    Its because of free society that is glooming in Pakistan.

    Please start it to stop, even by stoping yourself and make this envoirement tight.

    So that our society can avoide such disasters.

  49. well, its the best time for our givernment to take some initiative, firstly to take some broader steps regards our education system and then to internet browsing, should only be use for eductional purpose not for dis bluddy entertainin side, which lead to dark, HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

  50. yeh jo khuch hua wo tu ho chuka na ab band bajanay ka itna time nahi hai i think jin jin ne love ko lust banaya unhain islamic laws k mutabiq pori saza milni chaheeya n i m totally agree with the comments of seema. or jo yeh keh rahi thi larki k jisay chance nahi milta tu wo boltay hain jaltay hain or agar usay chance milay ga tu wo bhi karay gi , tu baita tum jaisee larkion ki wajah se hi yeh gull khilain hian jo aisa sochti hain or kerti hain. gov or pata nahi loag kaha kaha ki history nikaal rahay hain , mai yeh samjhta ho k jab tak larki na chahy khcuh nahi ho sakta , larka khcuh bhi nahi ker sakta larki k sath bagir larki k razamandi k or agar larki hi apnay ghar walo ki ezzat ka khyal ker lai kio k usay apni ezzat ki tu koi care hoti nahi tu agar wo ghar walo ka hi khayaal ker lai tu hum yaha essay na likh rahay hoon 550 words pr(yeh mai nay un larkio ka kaha hai jo abhi yahi pr jalacy wali batain ker rahi thi or keh rahi thi k agar usay chance milay ga tu wo waste nahi karay gi) or hamain past se zyada apnay future pr nazar rakhni chaheeya hum past ki baatoon k peechay paray hain or dunya future se future ka soch rahi hai, larkay ko pori saza do or larki ko 1000 hunters lagao, sub sahi ho jae ga inshallah, aik ko paray gi sub line pr ajain gay.

  51. Modernization, Westernization, calling ourselves broad minded and what so ever are the causes of all these things. Even the cafe owner did wrong but parents must think about their responsibilities in the light of Islam.

    Whatever we say the conclusion is that we need to follow quran and hadeeth in every aspect of life.

  52. its not good to all of the families but bad habits results is also bad so avoid these things and take a lesson from these couples and donot do like this coz all of us thinking is same ok all of u good luck and bye

  53. I have read quite a few of the above comments.
    I have mixed reactions about this whole affair, really. We are not the ones to decide who is morally sound and who isn’t. Especially since the majority is corrupt in one way or another. I know some of you’ll say “speak for yourself” but come on… who are we fooling? Just look at what you do and you will see.

    What those couples did is not allowed in Islam. But Islam also doesn’t allow you to watch TV or listen to music. There you go. STUMPED.

    Nobody is perfect, apart from God i suppose. We must not judge others unless we are perfect ourselves. There is so much i can say here, but i won’t. It will only be a waste of time.

    Those couples should have been more careful. If you are committing a sin, you should atleast hide it from the world, even if you can’t hide it from God.

    Well… I have so much to say… But i wont.

    Regards.

  54. This thread is amazing. It’s like it sleeps for a while, but periodically rises from its slumber. And for the past three years!

    Sepoy, you seemed to have hit some tender spot :)

  55. Salam to all
    I think this is very shame full for all of the world. that’s why islam is saing that marray your childran when thay (balig) able to marry first

  56. Hi guys…
    in my opinion the people like those who’ll do those type of nasty things in net cafe’s…and the people who’ll shoot those type of nasty things(i mean to say about frustrated people)via hidden or open cameras….just beat themall beat them till death or kill atsight…………………and please people just stopthat nonsence.

  57. What happened to those girls was unfortunate… but then again not entirely unexpected. They grew up in the same society as the rest of us. They should have known better.
    The real question, why are the mofo yellow belly whelp boyfriends getting away so easy? Are the girl’s families going to let them off?
    And even more importantly, are these ‘respectable’ families going to to do anything about the eff-ing SOBs who made and marketed the cds? Respectability doesnt come with an address or bank balance… it has more to do with how dangerous it is to offend or harm those dear to you… Or maybe you can leave the tedious task of doing justice to the Government. Indeed our boozer dupatta chasing leader inspires much confidence.
    Of course none of what I say has anything to do with our religion. We have frankly lost the right to invoke religion in mundane matters a long time ago. Our religion preaches the dignity of man, the dominion of God, social justice, equality and brotherhood, the value of knowledge and wisdom and abhorrence of ignorance, arrogance and rashness. Do we follow any of this? (Don’t answer.. it was a rhetorical question)

  58. If I were Allah and I was reading this blog, I’d be really irritated that people kept bringing me into every single damn comment. Do you think He cares about internet cafes and couples exchanging kisses when He’s got so many more important and pressing issues to think about? Wouldn’t you get annoyed if someone kept bothering you and invoking your name while discussing trivial matters like, say, which plastic bag to use to put your sandwich in, and you were busy trying to stop a massive humanitarian disaster or something? Surely He did not want His Children to be so clingy and weak minded as to keep referring to Him, but rather stand on Their own two feet and come up with smart and rational logic?

    He wanted His Children to be smart, so He gave Them brains.

  59. Today when I read your comments, I understand that Pakistani people are not as misguided as it seemed on the videos. Most of you said that those couples did a terrible mistake but suffered a far worse fate. And true the real criminals were the people who videotapped them. Allah will bring justice to all.
    I hope oneday the more literate people like you will stand up and come to power unlike those lunatics that have been controlling pakistan.

  60. Salam,

    Dear brothers and sister,
    Today internet has become a big communication media. every thing is done through internet today. Internet was designed to advertise, and usa used it for military purpose and today it is a commercial item which is needed by everyone.

    Muslim girls were always shy to talk with another man nad they never do. and muslim boys never talk with girls. this is the true islamic culture. Because of this internet today muslim youngsters are chatting with eachother. is there a different between talking face to face and chatting on net ? when it comes to webcam, mic and services like YAHOO. i dont think so. and boys and girls are today being dragged in to sex.

    At a young age it feels kind of thrilling. but truly is will only give nothing but danger and lost of our culture and islamic life style. so every person should protect them selves until they are married.

    Today parents dont have time to look after there children dont know what they are doing on computer and internet.

    so please be careful. Does internet and this all media technology is so much important ?,

    just make sure no muslim girl is using internet, then muslim boys will stop using too. and things will change step by step.

    this chatting and online love and all will stop,

    Salam

  61. Sin: delete???!! are you kidding?! Bloggers like me can only dream of getting so many comments on one post (I think 10-12 was my record, and that too only because Mukul Kesavan showed up to comment)…

    :-)

    btw sepoy: under the old format the link to one’s web page would be stored in the comment form, but now it isn’t– any way to fix that?

  62. hi,
    Nice to read comments from my Pakistani brothers.I feel Pakistan is a nation that still preserves the culture of preindependence era.. Hats off… and God bless !

    An Indian…
    Love you all..

  63. i hate the person who made the net cafe scandel these persons are criminal of people the no place for these person in islam and pakistan

  64. oh by the way i forgot to put one last thing down,,, Treat your woman like a human being. If u are talking about islam then also know that islam has given rights to women. You extremists leave them in ur home thinking they are your property. you Sob’s are a shame to our religion. you wanna see real muslims? look at the newly converts, they know more about islam then you monkey’s. I salute Dr Zakir Naik and ppl like him who actually know what the hell they are talking about. Rest of the Maulvi’s have their hidden agenda. Here is the funny part, I talked to another friend from pakistan and he was like, oh acha hoa, on larkiyon kay saath yehi hona chahiyay tha. I was like Whaaa, i mean some men back home are soooo biased that he didnt even say” larkay larkiyon kay saath” he said Larkiyon kay saath. dude. I slapped him on his head to open up his mind. is our society really that bad? Trust me this is not islam,, NOT at all. This has to do more with Culture. Treating women like herd or property. I am married. Trust me there is nothing better then respecting each other every day instead of owning the other person.

  65. WOW, i just found out about all this in 2007 here in US. I am sure ppl knew about this before but hey i dont go to the porn sites that often. i know the fix to this problem. Catch the real SOB’s who videotaped these ppl. I wen’t to pakistan and my friend owns a shop. When he saw a couple he just told them to go to another shop, i didn’t know at that time why he said that. When i asked why he said, yaar harkatain kartay hain yeh log. well what he did is what other’s shud do. Stop the thing from happening to begin with instead of taping and blackmailing them. Listen, if ppl want to have sex, they will do it regardless of what checks u put in place. All of the people up in the blog who blamed the girls are typical example of extremists. Its ok for them to go watch porn but are scared shit about what might happen behind their back in their own home and thus are paranoid as hell about these videos. so who do they blame the girls. Yes i have seen guys charm their way in a girls pant. yaar, paki girls are used to living at home. most of them dont know whats happening outside or how guys are, the ones who do know how guys are also know how to hide it. i am not defending any one, but yes I DO blame the one’s who made the video, if it were up to me i would shoot them myself. but one thing what i know is, WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND. Allah will show them. those guys and girls got their punishment here in this world, now its time for those perverts (cafe owners). It will happen, watch. watch as their own izzat will be out for sale. God takes care of things his own way.

  66. Sepoy, I know you were–at one point–borderline ready to delete some of these comments. I don’t suppose I could write something that might push you over that edge? It’s just tragic to read and see these, as well as the rubbish approach of “don’t talk about it, it’s shameful, the West is to blame, keep men and women separated”…2 years’ worth of comments, if acted upon, would apparently relegate us to somewhere in the days of Beowulf.

  67. hi all,

    i think that wat happend is wrong…but why the hell u all are sayin g pakistan is bad…in every nation they are pplz like that…just because of that 25 couples it doesnt mean all pakistanis are like that…and after all we all are pakistani its all abt the breeding (parwarish) of the parents…i wrote someone said he came to pakistan after a long time or something like that and he feel shamed to say hes pakistani…then tell me one thing tum ne kia proud hona tha kehte huwe ke im 4 example German…or british…or turkish??…they are 100% badder then we…soo this sex videos are bad…and the youth today is mad abt sex….i think the parents should care more abt their children…from childhood….tc ALLAH HAFIF n ALLAH PAKISTANION ko hadait de …ameen….

  68. salam readers this is a very horrible situation now a days in our media tecnology like net cafes
    where every day a lof of people suffered in sins do unathical motions which is not according to the islamic rules .if we see our country makes on the base of islam but the construction of our society not going to the easten society we are adopting the western culture like dirty habbits sex, and showing the bad culture in all over the world so pls pls pls just took pity on ourself and makes some different ..and different is act upon the islamic rules and create the islam in our socitey and give proof to all world pakistan just make for islam and for muslims society

  69. Sigh… why does religion have to be brought into the discussion of this episode?

    “The owners of the establishment recorded these activities and would later show the movies to the couples and blackmail them for dirty deeds. This carried on until around 25 couples were ensared. A CD was compiled and send to Dubai where it sold for 10 lakh (about $100,000). ”

    What I want to know is what happened to these owners that recorded this stuff and then sold it. I’m suprised by some of the comments which take issue with how people are being “amoral” or blasphemous and should be put on/follow the “right” path. I’d take more issue with the owners.

    “The government should also pass laws against cameras in changing rooms. Places where cameras are installed should notify the customers via a public sign board”

    Out of all of the proposals that the writer makes in the piece you quoted, this one seems the most feasible and sensical.

    “young men and women started to patronize the establishment. They came alone or as couples, went into the cabins and viewed “dirty” websites on the computers. ”

    “Three of the girls in the scandal committed suicide. One was killed by her father. Two were divorced . While the boys ran away from their houses. Some of the young men on the CD belonged to very prominent families of Rawalpindi. These houses fell prey to blankmailing from the gang.”

    In regards to this specific event, I wonder: could it be that the very repressive nature of social, political, religious and legal norms which dictate social life and interactions produce and/or provide an occassion for people to secretly engage in so called “forbidden” pursuits? And then take drastic measures such as running away or worse, committing suicide? I’m asking this because I’ve seen how overriding social norms in India have influenced to varying extents incidents such as this.

    “as the discourse seems to be in a downward spiral of righteous religiosity and morally-sanctioned retribution. To be frank, I am quite disturbed by some of these comments and almost deleted them. However, I will let them stand to testify to the shamelessly premodern conceptions of an individual human still prevalent”

    Boy, tell me about it. I’ve been tempted more than once to delete comments of this kind. But I say, keep them up, if only to illustrate that views of this kind exist out there.

  70. ASLAMALIKUM TO EVERY PAKISTANI BROTHERS AND SISTERS. THAT SCANDAL OF NET CAFE WAS REALLY SHAME FUL FOR ALL PAKISTANI’S. WE ARE MUSLIMS AND WHAT ARE WE DOING? IS THIS OUR RELIGION SAYS? THINK AND CONDEMN THIS SHAME FUL ACT AS WORSEAS POSSIBLE. ALLAHHAFIZ

  71. The enduring ability of this thread to rise up, resurrected, everytime I think it has been put to rest, is one of the more amazing things about this already awesome blog. :-)

  72. I don’t understand why the commentators here are so surprised. Godlessness is rampant in Pakistan. People who live without regard for God, His will, His plan, are likely to indulge the cravings of their lower nature in the most disgusting manner.

    I believe that the only solution is to enforce the Islamic code of conduct and to publicly flog those scoundrels who spread immorality. I do realise that this is not the right thing to say in these days of “enlightened moderation”, but what the hell do I care about the halfbaked ideologies of the brown sahibs of Pakistan :)

  73. I’m really very sad to read the details of this net cafe scandal.
    “Three of the girls in the scandal committed suicide. One was killed by her father. Two were divorced .”
    So sad, I’m depressed, can someone tell what happen to net cafe owner? He escaped? If he escaped after doing all this what a shame! Where is this mother fucking FIA & intelligence of Pakistan?

  74. I am extremely saddened by the events that have unfolded in Pakistan after this ‘net cafe scandal’, and really disappointed by some of the posts above.

    I personally believe that there is no reason to bring religion into this.
    It is said that knowledge is power, and the internet is a virtually unlimited source of information and knowledge. The internet is the future, and plays an important role in the development of our public; it will be extremely stupid on the government’s part to deprive the citizens of Pakistan of the internet in any form.

    The internet cafes are designed around the world for those people who either can not afford to have internet access at home, or are restricted from accessing it at the time. I believe that internet cafes should be encouraged in Pakistan. I agree with the author with his view of having stricter laws regarding privacy, but in addition to that, the internet cafe business should be regulated. If someone is setting up an internet cafe with ‘private cabins’ in it, one can immediately deduce the intention behind it. If there was a law prohibiting the set up of these ‘private cabins’, and instead have the common layout (that is shared by internet cafes around the world), things like this will be prevented in the future InshAllah, and the internet will be used for what it was made for, information and knowledge.

    In reply to the religion based comments passed above, I personally believe that every person has the ability, and thus the right to choose between what is right and what is wrong. You can not force a person to do something and hide behind the cover of religion. If a person wants to commit a sin, it is his choice and his beliefs, and he will be accountable for it. Who are you or anyone else to interfere and enforce what YOU think is right? The Almighty has given us all the ability to choose between right and wrong, and only He reserves the right to judge us, no one else. Do not force religion on others; only be concerned about your own deeds and affairs.

    With regards to the fourth post from the top (Mr. Fateh), I’m sorry if this comes out a bit offensive, but that was an extremely childish and ignorant statement you made. If your wife or sister was in that cafe, then it was THEIR choice (that is what you call freedom). Dont blame the internet cafes, the pornographic websites, or the sex drive. Who are YOU to stop the entire population of the country from doing whatever they want to? I believe that if a person is brought up properly and taught the correct religious values, then he/she will abstain from such things on his/her own, regardless of such establishments being there in the open, or not existing at all. And lastly, who are YOU to judge who lives and who dies?..

    This is the problem with our public. Everyone thinks he/she has been given birth rights to enforce their beliefs and their point of views on others. Leave law in the hands of the law-makers, and leave enforcing it in the hands of the law-enforcers. Stay out of other peoples business and refrain from giving out judgements to others. None of us are any better or any worse. As the famous idiom goes, “live and let live”.

    Talha,
    Pakistan

  75. Please.. Please.. Please.. !!!
    Lets STOP our Generations from being Destroyed. It is not their fault since they are not fully matured in their approach to life, some may be unlucky and may be deprived of better parents and teachers, some might be caught by the black sheep of our society, some might be ruined by the environment the live in,….
    ” Oh Brothers/Sisters !!! Lets realize this and Help our younger ones ”
    Lets struggle with our own abilities possible.
    Lets raise this issue to the loudest possible. In Newspapers, Articles, newsposts, Threads, Television, Talkshows, Magazines, motivational moves in our society, realize the govt. to whatever extent possible, ask political parties to include this in their agenda and assure enforcement,…etc.
    THAT IT !!! THIS IS THE MOMENT !!! The need is adopt any of the possible means and put our due share.
    AGENDA:
    1- Application of Filters on Gateways that Mr. Awais Leghari (Minister) had promised.
    2- Proper control on Television channel content that is broadcasted.
    3- Print media content control.
    4- Laws against camera use.
    5- Registration of Internet Cafes.
    6- Laws against the film industry(whether local or foreign). Laws Specific to the content made and sold.
    7- Laws against the Film shops that operate.
    8- Laws against Cinemas that are destroying the nation to a greater extent.
    9- Law against selling and production of Alcohol for it contributes to nothing. No excuses shall stop from banning it.
    10- Banning Smoking because what do we get out of it!
    11- Fight against all Filth and Rubbish in the Society (in whatever form they exist) that destructs us.
    Neither of Our Religion, Our Constitution, Our Masses, Our Culture, Our Familiy values allow this.
    I Suppose this a Thread that is initiated in our Hearts-n-Souls. This can be our lifes noble objective and whatever we contribute would be repayed would be everlasting.
    Contribute !!! For it our Country and Nation.
    Brothers!!! and Sisters!!!
    ” ALWAYS BE AN OPTIMIST, AND STRUGGLE STRUGGLE STRUGGLE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN THE ONLY WAY TO SUCCESS”

  76. All i want to say is that it is sad to know that sooo many people who are commenting here have actually watched those vidoes! Each of those people are promoting this market themselves. That’s the reason this video was made in the first palce..because it wanted to satisfy that common market of all those who want to view it! Can you stop watching this? If you can do that then give your comments to the public.
    Secondly, EVERYONE makes mistakes but these few kids got unlucky because they did a mistake and got caught in a country where every single person blame and punish you even though they might have done the same thing over and over again…But they will raise their finger against you.

  77. Hi,

    I hope that you all will be fine!

    I also watched that movie of net cafe and it was discusting. after watching that movie i was ashamed on my self that i live in Pakistan.

    For these all views which everybody is giving do they know that every person in the world can access these information, so what they will expect from Muslims specially from Pakistanies.

    So, we are reqpersenting ourselves. yes its true there is only sex in our mind and nobody miss chance whenever they got it. Same time people running net cafe in a sence to provide a safer place to do sex with anyone mate, moreover; they are catching them also instead of showing them right direction they are going to get a reason of encash them.

    In short a man can make mistake, he may be wrong, Is there any one to show him right path. (SORRY NO ONE).

    I think we have Information Technology in our country but sorry to say we dont know the meaning of I.T.

    It should be banned if we dont know want to use it. or Govt should take some serious steps to educate people through media also otherwise our young generation will be destriod and we will smatch our hands.

    Thank you very much…

  78. aitte u been tlkin alot ov crap n stuff…1st ov all who the hell has sex in a public place…dat is the most dumbest things 2 do..some desparados’s…n the ppl who recording r perverts big time….n the blackmailers r probably some jobless idiots wit nuttin better 2 do…..all this blame goes 2 governemnt…the gov hav been fooling ppl fo years this is no different…pakistani wake up time is changin u either be a muslim or a white boy wanna b…pakistani is da biggest confused nation in the world…thnk god i wasnt 1…the whole pakistani system needs changin.

  79. Hi,
    My suggesion for goveroment that add a filter software on the internet gateway of pakistan to protect these type of materials.

  80. well didn’t think this thing is up and pretty much alive till now coz i have forgotten it a long time ago but people like us always keep it alive … things do go wrong people do make mistakes and who are we to punish them why don’t we leave it to Allah who are we to suggest what should be done to those ignorants… even i myself have watched those videos of net cafe and that i watched em with interest so infact i think we all are develish n double standards…. yes that’s what we really are infact ignorants… big time …but we need to mend our ways the way we live on one hand we enjoy what we have seen on the other we comend it criticize it and try to tell others that we are saints…. my brother and sisters infact we have gone so far that we have forgotten every thing that we have been told in our book… sad isn’t even most of you seem to be sensible and literate but couldn’t we atleast try at our individual level to change our society couldn’t we take care of our sisters daughters brothers … instead of wasting our energies in criticizing for Gods sake we need to wake up now coz i believe its not too late as we think we still have got some time left… and yes we are a bit influenced by western society but all we are gonna end up is nothing a big nothing some of you might b thinking i m trying to b a big mouth or something if that’s what you think so be it …. we need to b consistent in what we think what we do and what we pretend to be…. so brothers and sisters we believe in family system… we respect our sisters, mothers we have strong moral values…..why not learn from this experience it could b a bit difficult but that’s not impossible… all we need to do is to THINK POSITIVE and believe in what we have…. God bless you all…… allah hafiz

  81. aray yyar abb hum kya boly q k jub tak larki khud nahi chay koi un ko touch bhi nahi ke sakta or larko ka kya hai un ko tou FREE main mill rahay hai mazar LAGAY DUM TOU MITAY GUMMMMMMMM

  82. If the ISP start filtering today, the poor may not be able to watch porn, but lawmakers, politicians and high up officials public and private ones will and in anycase WATCH IT as they are ADDICTED to it. Besides that, ISP business will go down by atleast 50%.

    there is no sulution when lawmakers themselves are into drinking, prosts and porn. You dont believe me? go ask any peon or gatekeeper of these people what they do while people think they are busy doing work. Even Mushy is a drinker and Phucker

  83. hi all .

    i read all this . i dont agree who say leave this topic .any body tellme this is a topic.no this is not a topic. this is our punishment .bcz we leave islam way we are far away islamrighr path .we feel shame to say we are muslim .why?i am proud muslim and pakistani.if we follow islamno body harm us .no incident happen muslim life. but sorry to say we feel very proud to accept westren calcutre.allah great gave muslim a very special gift muhmmadpeace be upon him .if we follow his sunnah our all problem solve.we have best religion in the world if we follow islam i am sure our boys and girls are safe.west media afraid our muslim women bcz they know muslim values are very strong so they try to destroy our young youth

  84. I am very upset to read Mitch’s comments. “More sex videos have come out from the red light areas and motels. Even legally married couples are not being spared in this sleazy business and their intimate moments are being filmed in hotels as well.”

    Aman Khawaja sahib you are right .. nothing has changed.. so why talk about it…..hamrye mulk main kabhi kuch sanvra ya kam hoa ha…….. nope never… zaida hi hoa ha……..

  85. i 100% agree with you Iqbal Sahib.

    those children made mistake. but they were not supposed to be punished like this after all they are human beings and future builders of our nation.

    the punishment was supposed to be given to those who have black mailed them.

    why nobody is black mailing those land lord or those power ful poloticians, who are sleeping with a new lady every night. because they are powerful and could easily hide their sins.

    dear all i thing we should learn from this and i think its better to finish this 2 .5 years old topic .

    Siraj from CANADA

  86. WHAT HAPPENED SO HAPPENED.

    STOP GIVING COMMENTS ON IT NOW!!!!!!!

    DONT YOU THINK OF THOSE PARENTS WHO WILL VIEWING ALL THESE COMMENTS.

    THOSE INNOCENTS COMMITED A MISTAKE.

    BUT THEY GOT A VERY HARD PUNISHMENT FOR IT. EVEN ISLAM HAS THE PUNISHMENT OF LASHES.

    BUT THEY GOT MORE THAN THAT.

    THE CONCENTRATION SHOULD BE ON THOSE BLOODY BLACK MAILERS.

    AND STOP THESE COMMENTS NOW!!!!

    THEY ARE GOING ON SINCE MAY,2004.

    ITS MORE THAN ENOUGH NOW……

    THANKS FOR NOT GIVING ANY COMMENT…

  87. It should be closed. no one have any right to say any thing. apny graiban main jhnako phir bolo. specialy mr Ki||Bi|| from Aug 29th 2005 at 9:31 am….. how can he saye its OK for boys but not for gals? as he said “Larkon ka kya hai uun ko koi fark nahi parta agar woh kuuch karain b lakin larkiyoon ko sochna chahiyeh k 1 day they have 2 get married” . BUT kia larkon ki nahin honi shadi???????? voh apni wif ko kia monh dikhain gay. NO ONE CAN JUDGE WHATS RIGHT WHATS WRONG. JUST STOP TALKING AOBUT IT.

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