The Secret Lives of Internet Cafes

Net cafés do amazing business in Pakistan. In the 80s, the easiest way to keep your wayward son employed was to open up a PCO (Public Call Office) in the neighborhood. You rent a shop, install a phoneline, a desk and a chair. People come and pay you 10 rupees to make a phone call. Easy money.

Those PCOs were converted into internet access points (no beverages are served on premises) by late 90s. In 1998, a rough survey of Lahore produced an average on 10-12 cafés per neighborhoods. Now, that ratio is to one per street.

Surfing for information for yesterday’s post, I came across this editorial in Jang Daily from April 28th. It told a story of internet, sex and exploitation gone horribly wrong (as opposed to all the times it goes wonderfully right, i guess). I translate:

These Net Cafés by Jawaid Chaudhry

In a Rawalpindi market, two years ago, someone set up a Net CafÈ; he constructed small cabins, placed computers in them, put a screen door with locks on the inside, installed lights in the ceiling and hidden in the lights, installed cameras. After the grand opening, young men and women started to patronize the establishment. They came alone or as couples, went into the cabins and viewed “dirty” websites on the computers. The owners of the establishment recorded these activities and would later show the movies to the couples and blackmail them for dirty deeds. This carried on until around 25 couples were ensared. A CD was compiled and send to Dubai where it sold for 10 lakh (about $100,000). Copies were made and sold in Britain, US, France and Germany and finally, made their way back home. In the beginning, these CDs were sold for four or five thousand rupees in Lahore and Islamabad. A gang got hold of the CD and tracked down the 25 families of the couples. They delivered the CDs to those houses. This caused an instant firestrom. Three of the girls in the scandal committed suicide. One was killed by her father. Two were divorced . While the boys ran away from their houses. Some of the young men on the CD belonged to very prominent families of Rawalpindi. These houses fell prey to blankmailing from the gang.

One of the elders from these families came to me. His only child had killed herself. He was in extremely fragile condition. He told me the whole story and cried that these monsters have destroyed entire families. Please tell the government to take pity on us and stop the violence permeated in the guise of technology. The gentleman left me and I don’t know if he is still alive or not but his problem remains genuine. There are thousands of Net Cafés in this country. Most have cabins. Young boys and girls from colleges and universities go to these cafés, open “dirty” sites and embark on the path of sin and destruction where many blackmailers are sitting. If the Government pays serious attention, this can be resolved easily. There are thousands of software in the world that eliminate obscene websites. The Pakistan government should install these filters on all internet services, register all Net Cafés, issue license of operations, impound unlicensed sites, and ban the use of cameras in all such facilities. In the meantime, all cabins should be abolished. Proprieters should be told to prohibit morally corrupt sites and movies on the premises and teams of enforcers should tour and arrest non-compliant owners.

Someone else was telling me that some stores have installed cameras in their “try rooms”. Some export these films overseas and exploit the children. The government should also pass laws against cameras in changing rooms. Places where cameras are installed should notify the customers via a public sign board. I have seen many places in Europe, America and Canada where they are installed as traffic camers. In USA, it is against the law to record any image or movie without permission even voice recording. In America, even a president, Richard Nixon, lost his government when he secretly taped his opponents but there os no such laws in our country. People have put secret cameras and recorders everywhere and their phone calls even are taped and used later for blackmail. No one knows how many houses have been destroyed by this.

[i snip the rest]

The interesting thing here is that the author, in the case of Net Cafés, wants to regulate the internet itself but, in the case of changing rooms, is satisfied with laws against hidden cameras. Presumably, the same law against hidden recording should solve the Café crime as well as the changing room crime.

The divergence in his solution comes from an old-and-tried argument that television, cinema, western books (and now the internet) are mere conduits of sin and depravity for the youth of Pakistan. The corruption occurs by mere exposure. Hence, the lack of appropriate laws is not enough as the depravity will continue in the Café. They argue, that what needs to happen is a control over the flow of unchecked smut. In case of Pakistan, that means regulating the internet, in case of USA, it means going to the source.

I also want to state that the blackmailing industry hinted at in the editorial is, without a doubt, prevalent and pernicious in segments of the population. It is largely due to the fact that even a rumor can destroy the life of girl. Families have no choice but to comply with the blackmailers to prevent something like that from happening. The way to break that hold is to shift the blame from the victim to the oppressors. A girl who dates, or has an affair is not Evil Incarnate. She should NOT be killed or stoned. sigh.

P.S. While looking around for information on the Pakistani Net Café scene, I got this entry by a pakistani blogger also looking at the same issue – and more here.

update [May 24, 2004]:I am going to temporarily suspend comments on this entry as the discourse seems to be in a downward spiral of righteous religiosity and morally-sanctioned retribution. To be frank, I am quite disturbed by some of these comments and almost deleted them. However, I will let them stand to testify to the shamelessly premodern conceptions of an individual human still prevalent in Pakistani society.

update: comments are reopened but please keep moralizing to a minimum.

213 Replies to “The Secret Lives of Internet Cafes”

  1. Assalam o Alikum,

    I watchedall the materials of which made by that man. Every body have a freedom , every one have there own mind, The person who tapped all that videos is a really bad act. We need to respect the privacy of otehrs peoples. i say only one thing here” ALLAH who is full of kindness he hide our daily sinss what ever not to make u unrespectable in eyes of the Society. Foe us it is not right we blame otehrs. Becuase there is a reason on back side of every thing. A simple question ,Why they did it? think openly about this. It was intentialy or unintentialy?

    The people who did sucide or killed by parents is bad act. You did a bad act so need to face the world. Kill him/her or by other is not a way of solving a proble. I really sorry with the parents. It is every where and every one is doing it. so request u please hide the errors of others and give them a suggestion there face.

    Kisee ki izzat ko uchaal kar deykhana na mardangee hai or na islam. our islamic history is full of such a acts. But please think 1000 times before to open the privacy of others.Our country need a law for a personal privacy.

    Thank you , Khalid Ali Khan . ALLAH HAFIZ

  2. Assalam-o-Alaikum,

    Na English boloon na Pashtoo damagh khol kar sunain ap sab log…May 4th 2004 say yeh topic start hua hay aur abi tak chal raha hay…2 saal pehlay jo hua ho giya kiss k damagh main hay ab yeh baat…Net cafe chal rahay hain usi taran Kya hua kisi nay band karwa diyee…Webcams camera’s sab kuch mojoood hay tu phir kya hua Fark nazar aya …kuch bhi nahi hoa…Bohat hee ghair ikhlaakana harkat kee un logon nay Cabins main Accept it… aur us say kahi ghunnah ziada ghalat harkat ki Owner of net cafe nay… but the Main thing is that k yahan hum log kya kar rahay hain… agar unhi larkon larkioon ka koi bhai relative net par aye aur site surfing karay aur yahan aa kar jabh yeh kuch parhay tu tell me us Bay ghunnah ka kya kasoor aur us par kya guzray gee jabh aik apni baat kahay ga dusra apni kehnay par laga ho ga… and i dont know woh larkiyan larkay kon they aik kisssa sunay main aya baat chali aur thap say finish …tu please why are u ppl reminds that case through net… i have a request to the owner of this page that Kindly Close this Topic Thanx. Aman Khawaja

  3. First of all i wud like to appreciate a man, a Pakistani man( I assume yr paki) for getting into something like this and presenting an unbiased content for us to read.

    And “NO” i repeat, no i wudnt kill my sis or any other woman in my family for going the wrong way. wat they did was wrong, no doubt… but wat was dun to them was even more wrong, just to satisfy the financial greed of some scum bags many ppl were expoited… wat they did was adutery killing them wud make us even more sinfull than them, even Islamic Shari’ah law does not allow u to slay someone for comitting adultery.

    i havent had time to go thru all the posts.. but i came across one stating something along the lines which seemed to state that we need to shun the “betraying” women this either came from a male chavinist or a woman who was raised by one, who taught her never to speak for wat she thot was right, never to use something called brains which Allah has bestowed upon her, cuz god forbid if she does, she shall be killed for being a BAD woman…. BETRAYING maybe…

    news flash to the author of that comment

    there were men involved too..taali do haathoon sey bajti hai… and it defnitey takes 2 to tango!! ne ideas wat to do with the betraying men ???

    Further more this other dude goes on to ask women not to fall in luv… muffin i pity ur offsprings who r going to be females… used and fucked by men .. and he says he knows how men think, cuz he is one of them… well sweety wat goes up comes down… and thats a definite, its abt time we changed the fuck n chuck mentality our men have and teach THEM how to respect women… wats next.. gonna ask us to quit breathing. OWWW my bad … i think thats already dun.. on an average of 10 ….7 women wont even talk to u if their hubbies din allow them to …

    and ofcouse to the bane of our pakistani existance… the black mailling industry… i hope they a get a tatse of their own medicine, 10 times stronger n harsher i must add.

    finally i must add .. TO ERR IS HUMAN.. we need to STOP being all high n mighty cuz none of us is… in case we were we wont be here posting out comments on this forum on panet earth, we wud be angel in heaven.:)

    and once again the author did a gud job, we do need an awakening and its abt time we got one!!

  4. our country should have educated person handling any buz… not in these kind of cheap way… sex is personal … that should not be shown in the public. we shold cancel all the licence of these barbarians

  5. What a sad story and my heart go to the victims. Granted, pre marital sex is prohibited in Islam and is considered as a major sin but people do make mistakes and paying such a heavy price does not make any sense. Does any one know if the owner of the net cafe was prosecuted and put in jail for such a devilish act? I do agree with some of the readers that Government must regulate the Internet by blocking all the porno sites.

  6. AOA

    first solution is to bad porn sites is …. filters the web from gateway of pakistan in karachi and islamabad. its not a difficult job….

    secondly parents need to educate their children about sex…. so that they wont go out and ask them to their friends ( remember its in islam).

    thirdly … there is no solution to video CD’s available in markets …. or hidden camera’s untill we hv a islamic law …. like theif should be handcut… believe me this kinda law could change lives as whole and no one will be able to do such a thing … i know its difficult to implement islamic law… coz of our bloody politicians … believe me police wont do any thing to the persons who provide porn CD’s untill they pay(jagga tax). Believe me islamic law is perfect solution … tell me if ur hand cut on theft …. do you or any other near u had the power to theft again? No shold be your ans”

    for girls is the advice that donot fall in love … untill married … otherwise u will get used, fucked and thrown out by boys … i am boy i know the psyhcy of boys well. and know some thing about last person comment ” he is right that we should find the bloddy person who did all this via interpol or what ever ” …. but who have to find them … Govt… i don,t think they have their interest in this matter … and one more thing that media is not used correctly in these days … for example … on GEO TV the mother fucker, the bloddy Aamir liaquat is promoting these kind of cases on GEO letting those people know who donot knew it…. now some one tell me what is this … Coz Allah said (hide the bad habbits the worse of others from others and i will hide yous on the day of judgement”…. some one tell me what Aamir liaquat is dong on Geo is right or wrong.

  7. Hi,

    I saw that CD today, and then I started looking for some forum to have some extra info about that scandel. Though i (sikh) am not muslim but I do salute islam. Its the PERFECT code of conduct of life.

    Regarding that scandel, why we all bring religon in this scandel?. Its about one’s own act.

    I feel so sad about those youth who suffered from that scandel. Just for one sec, think wat if you are there with your love one and some camera is catching you.

    No one says here how to find that person who did all this. Or no one want to find them out?

    Wat we can only do is, watch that CD, have some fun,

    after that when we are relaxed then feel sad about people who are there in the CD and then put some comments on this forum.

    just one question, any one knows where those culprits are?

  8. Asslam-u-Alaikum

    yeh sb nishanian hain QYAMAT ki,…. k…. BayHyai uruj per hay. Har Dour piclay dour say bura hoga. Is liyay jo in chezon say bachay hain unhain apni magfrat k liyay DUA’A karni chahiyay.

  9. hi how r u all friend and net frien

    WASAY TU MUSLIM AB NAAM KAY HI HAY (HUM SAB)

    DOSRO PER UNGLIA UOTHANA HAMARA KAAM HAY.

    2ND – YE KAY NET PER JO LARKIA HAY WO KON SEE

    SHARIF HAY ….ISLAMIC POINT OF VIEW SAY ( KISI GARMAD SAY VOICE AND BATTEY /FRIEND SHIP) KARNA MANA HAY….

    AP SAB UN LOGO KI TARHAN HI HAY …KOEY FARIK NAHI HAY ……WO ROAD PER SEX KAR RAHAY HAY ….APP SAB SHARAFAT KAY DAIREY

    MAY……..DONT MIND ALL FRIEND …I ASK ALLWAYS TURE …..SEE UR SALF AND ASK UR SALF ( WHO R U ? ) DEKHAY APP KA ZAMEER KIA JAWAB DETAHAY…..

    TACK CARE UR SALF

    ZONAIR KHAN

  10. AOA

    I m resident of rawalpindi i studied the comments of everyone.u all people missing few thing which is criminal mentality which is arising in our childrens and other thing is lacking of values.late marriages could also reason of this thing.here the thing is people outside from pakistan cnt understand the problem coz society is going to collapse due to continuously reduction of values.

    Here i also pick the point that in pakistan now a days most favourite hobby is to download dirty real sex.the movies the boyz made of there girl friends while on dates through there mobile cameras.i have lots of research work on this type of issue but first i want comments.

  11. Absolutely thats what we should do have a more open debate on this issue and let people know that Islam is not a backward religion which locks ppl up….let the ppl know the right things n the rights of ppl must be honored, Islam is the most modern religion we dont need to follow other, we shall de4monstrate the true spirit so that Islam can lead others… i wish i could get my hands on that blackmailer, i wish if i could paint his face with black color and make him wander around the streets n roads of the country so ppl can remember him as a figure of evil n darkness. But!!!!! we must teach our youth the right values for that matter.

  12. Ok I have read most of these comments; some suggested to put provisions on Cyber Cafes others suggested lock-up your daughters but what’s shameful is no one suggested to liberate the society. Free and open minds do not do such things. Educate the young generation, make them aware…. knowledge is the most powerful tool. How can you tell an 18 year old that sex is bad…its not. If you try to stop people from going against nature it’s not going to work. God made human being and expects them to have Sex so basically what we need is to teach our kids how to make decisions based on education and information and not out of fear. Educate your kids, make them aware and give them freedom and lastly trust them and they will never let you down.

    Furthermore, the owner of the Internet café where these acts took place should be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. He should have disclosed that there are closed circuit cameras in the booths and that people are being recorded. The adults in the booths are consenting adults so they did nothing wrong…bad choice of place maybe. The families who have lost their kids to this despicable act should make sure that their kid’s lives are not wasted. Stand up for them and fight for a better society.

  13. I think now itz time to stop giving blame to other onez.Our religion, norms, culture r demandin sumthin else.we shud go on for izlam wid all itz requirements. i suggest that all of us shud get rid of so called family values n financial prospective n every young person shud be given a chance to get married as soon as possible. Cuz thatz da only we’ve got n that evil can be rooted out frm our society. may Allah bless alll of us..

  14. I wish if we all could come together as a nation against this evil… Whats done is done…. the valuable youth of Pakistan must not be wasted at the hands of the blackmailers…..We must all stand up against the corrupt system where money is becoming the basis of all the status….Lets have the courage to reject the evil n immorality, lets reject the Indian culture and encourage the core values of Islam so that our heads are not bent in shame…..I feel sorry for the poor kids because they were innocent n victims of an overall corrupt system. May Allah forgive them and give their families peace… Aik Musalman k Zubaan , Haath aur kaam se dusre Musalmaan ko nuqsaan nahi pohanchna chahiyaeee….

  15. slaam

    i heard a lot about netcafe scandal that was realy pathetic and it was a big tragedy for the families who sufferd or pay price for there own children . Eventually i hav,nt got proper idea about that scandal all information which i read is form that particular side in the end i must say thank,s to all people who share there idea,s and feeling for this pain ful event

  16. The pplz who involved examplay punishment should be given , all the netcafe should be banned , abolish all the cabin even i heard in pakistan some juice corner offering such cabin, its my humble request to Govt plz also take action against it before an new issue come on scence.

  17. I JUST WANT TO ASK THOSE WHO PUT THE BLAME OF CAFE EPISODE ON COUPLES THAT WHAT WILL THEY DO IF SOMEONE GETS TO FILM A FEMALE MEMBER OF THEIR FAMILY IN HER BEDROOM, BATHROOM OR PUBLIC TRY ROOM? WILL THEY BAN THEIR FEMALES FROM GOING TO THESE PLACES?
    SUCH COUPLES HAVE ALL THE LEGAL AND RELIGIOUS RIGHTS TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AND GET PUNNUSHED ACCORDING TO THAT. BUT WHO THE HELL ARE THESE CRIMINALS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS TO PUNNISH SUCH PEOPLE WHO COMMIT SUCH ACTS. LET THE SISTERS AND DAUGHTERS OF SUCH PEOPLE BE FILMED LIKE THAT TO TEACH THEM A LESSON.
    I HAVE SEEN SUCH A VIDEO CD WHICH WAS SHOT IN A NET CAFE, MOST OF THE COUPLES WERE INNOCENT YOUNGSTERS TRYING TO EXPERIMENT WITH WHAT THIS SOCEITY HAS TAUGHT THEM. THEY INDULGED IN FULL SEXUAL ACTS. BUT WHO PROVIDED THEM WITH SUCH A PLACE? WHO BROUGHT THEM UP WITH SUCH TEACHINGS?
    MOST OF THE GIRLS I SAW IN THE VIDEO WERE WEARING HIJABS, I WOULD CALL THEIR PARENTS, AND NOT THEM, THE HYPOCRITES!

  18. Salam

    All my friends here!

    Example of our case is when the ceiling fan doesnot work, we try all other ways to fix it but we dont switch on the buttons. But when we switch on, fan will work. Therefore we should see our solution in DEEN. Now we hav forgotten our Deen which our Beloved Prophet had brought.

    Secondly, deen never allows women or girls to give so much freedom, that she can go alone outside the house.

    Iam also one from you, and we all r passengers of one ship. So we all have to unite and follow the commandments of Allah in the ways shown by Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

    How we can bring Goodness in our and our family lives? Only by the right effort, the effort of PROPHETS, TABLIGH.

    Anyone against this sacred mission, 1st examine the effort by going in 3 days.

    Jazak Allah Khair!

    May Allah guide us all to Right path and guide Pakistan and accept it for the means of Hidayat not means of Disobediance! Ameen!

  19. Hi everyone,the reasons for all these obsanities in our society is due to our week understandig and relation with our religion.God created two kinds of hungers for the mankind one is the real

    hunger for food and the second is the hunger for sex.

    Allah has also given the solution for the sex hunger to get the kids married when they get juvenile means (Baligh).But as we are following the western culture to wait for them to complete their education and then start thinking for their

    marriage.

    This is totally wrong.They can live together during their education period after getting married.

    So please think about this.

    If you wanna furhter talk to me send me a reply at my email address

    Itsmewaseem@hotmail.com

  20. I would like to say only that when things wrong we need to identify the area of problem. At this point i can only say that reasons for such stories is cable, indian channel, newspapers (JANG GROUP ITSELF) play prominent role to encourage. What type of ZANNA these SOURCES are spreading can we think over it. no we are not bcoz what we need is spicy material in the paper. thats all. Sorry if i dishearted anybody.

  21. There is not a single immoral activity taking place anywhere in the world and not in Pakistan i.e.: Lesbianism; Gayest; Premarital Sex; Extramarital Affairs; Group Sex; Wife/G.Friend Swiping ………………… and you just name it and its happening. We basically are hypocrites. If you read “RAJA GIDH” you would agree that the money earned through corruption has started to show its consequences and the simplest motto fits here “What you sow, so shall you reap.”

  22. It is simply a MAKAFAT-E-AMAL of the relevent persons of the boys and girls.Anyway Allah ham ko mehfooz rakhay,AAMEEN

  23. Most of us have seen the movie… WOW to masla kya hai???

    yaar simple see baat hai Islam aik aisay software application ka naam hai jo agar poori tarhaan install na kero to results proper nahi atay, jab islam kehta hai shadi jaldi ker do to shadi jaldi ker do ,, Simple Today girls and boys though educated, cant be married for financial contraints but body doesnt care for that, body has its need like u have money or not u need to have your tummy filled when body requires it.Either Screw the law do what ever or Follow Islam, As A Complete System, Having Sex with one’s own body or with some body else both are wrong ,,, we all need sex partners thats what islam says get them partners ASAP!!,,,

    haan rahi baat Cafe kee to i think this has been a lesson for all of us may be we could have thought of it cause Jaga muft kee kaun chorta hai:) let us be honest.!! yeh cabins nahi honay chahain magar us say kya ho ga sex nahi ho ga haan Net Cafe main nahi hoga… !

  24. aoa

    well judging from the above topic i can simply say that it had to happen one time or the other, it involves many ppl, many aspects which helped this were spawned here many yrs ago. no one cld have thwarted this nor now one can bcz of our sluggish judicial system and our own lust. The moral shld not be to blame the culprits and demanding a law or whatsoever as this isn’t the solution to the problem.

    Here so many have commented mostly had sense but some just want to tell that they r beter than others.

    The thing is as a comment showed that our parents don’t guide us in these things. In our society talks abt these acts are rare between the parents and their Children. They hesitate, but they must tell them what is good and what is bad, when to do it and when not to do it etc, because of the lack of such education by them these phenomenon occur. Infact i am also feel very much hesitant abt discussing such, its IN our society.

    Its a common phenomena that a man seeks attraction in a thing which attracts and especially when we he doesn’t have info abt it.

    Our conscience is also very much weak abt this matter as we are actually provoked by our environment abt committing such things. especially by our rich freinds(having a taste of luxury), media and sometimes even by our brothers. My brother has a taste for having flirts and doing blaspherour acts.

    Its natural in our late teen and twenteen years tht we are attarcted to the oppsite gender, But its ur conscience(nafs,zameer) which makes u keep away.

    As for the culprits both sides are equally guilty. And the commitment of suicide and murders aren’t the solutions but proper consultation and forgiveness.

    in the end i just say keep urself away from such ideas and try to know abt it by consultation with ur parents as it will help u alot, don’t consult freinds or others as they can give u the wrong perspective. I have experienced it all my life, my freinds common topic is this, they talk abt it all the time, getting a gf is an art they try to learn it… My conscience made me keep away, urs too can!

  25. hey shaib ur absulutly right about this we have o rite to judge and punish them, it was was discusting for poeple who recorded this after this incidenet i dont know if you peple know some wer killed sum killed themseves they couldve had a chance to became gud muslim bcas pple do change i know a person she was alcoholic and did bad this i se her now sheis in hijab and veery religous i use t think im better then her now i think she is better then me i hope u popele understand wat im trying to say Allah hafiz

  26. AOA…I have read most of the comments….I just came to USA when al this happenend..and i live very near to that cafe…..However i felt sorry for the families of all the couples…..whatever they did whether that was right or wrong it was between them and Allah..nobody has any right to give them punishment or talk about them…all of us have seen this moie and nobody took permission from there parents to watch it and to watch it is itself a crime…so we all do crimes…..however the person who was behind the taping should be punished..he had no right o do this…its ot only the couples who faced the pain but what baout there families and parents….So i feel bad for the couples too..they did wrong but they never deserved whatever happened….thats what i think…i don’t know what happene dto that person involved with the taping.but i hope some guy killed him…..

  27. All the girls n boys shud think about their families n parents, before doing such things in Net Clubs,,,,Shame very shame to those boys and girls especially!!!!

  28. payaray paksitan kay payaray logo!

    yeh topic itna lamba hay kay is pay poora saaaal bheee likhaa ja saktaa hay, phir bhee yeh khtum nahee ho gaaa, magar in short kuch kahna ho to sub say pahlay yeh kahoon ga kay in acts ke responsibilty pakistani government pay hay, jo vulgarity ko promote kar rahee hay. hamaree country ka naam pakistan hay but haqeeqat main yeh kitnay paaak saaf logoon kee surzameen hay hum sub jantay hain, tum sub loag( including me) apnay app ko judge karo, kitnay naik hain hum sub?

    i mean hamaree kitnee batain aisee hain jo sirf hamain pata hain and i swear kay agar in batoon ka hamaree family ko pata chul jaye to kia anjaaam ho sakta hay , we cant even think. Anyways agar pakistan main islamic rule of law, like saudi arabia jaisa ho ore logon ko on kay kiye kee sazaa sray aaamm public main dee jaye to tub daikhta hoon kaisay yeh burayaan khatum nahee hoteee. badshahooo ! sub line pay aa jayen gay, magar jub government he jews kee ghulam ho ore aisee burayoon ko khud promote kray to is say kia expect kia ja sakta hay.

    dosree baat atee hay aaj kul kee media kee.

    janab! media main print media, like magzines, digests etc atay hain, then TV ata hay phir DVDz players ya VCR atay hain, phir cables atee hay ore phir last but not least INTERNET atta hay.

    agar daikh ajaye to pakistan main fashion bhee day by day barhtaa ja rahaa hay, ore is fashion kee peechay females ko parday say door kia ja raha hay.

    agar media ko sirf ore sirf islam ko promote karnay kayliye use kiya jaye ore internet pay porn or chating ya dating sites ko control yanee block kia jaye to mujhay yaqeen hay kay 90% tuk society theek ho saktee hay,

    magar hum loag khud apnay hathoon say yeh shetaaan apnay gharoon main latay hain ore expect kartay hain kay hum loag ya hamaray anay walay bachay achay musalman banain gay.

    aik baaat islam say doreee hay, hum loag kitnay din apnay bachoon ko 5 times namaaz parhwatay hain ore khud parhatay hain ore khud quran e pak ko tarjmah ore tafseer say parhnay ko kahtay hain, hum loag suntoon pay kitna amul kartay hain ore apnay bachoon ko os pay amul karnay ko kahtay hain

    do paisay aa jayen to society kee race main dakhl ho kay apni existance ko bhool jatay hain ore yeh bhe bhool jatay haain kay aik din ho gaa jub hamain kisee kay agay jawab dey hona paray gaa, yeh soch agar har lamhay hamaray dumagh main ho ore death ka khial hamaray dumagh main ho to yaqeenun hum loag bohot see burayoon say asaane say buch saktay hain.

    BAHAR HAAL ALL IN ALL AT THIS VERY MOMENT PAKISTAN TUBAHI KEE TARAF JA RAHA HAY, or eisay tubaah honay say koi nahe bacha saktaa

    isay set karnay kayliye islamic based governmet ore khoneee inqlaab kee zaroorat hay

    FEE AMAAN ALLAH!

  29. Funy thing is that all of you People are behaving like its something new , Come on People . Our Society is as good as any other in the world and as bad as any other in the world . For GOd sake , We have Red light areas in every city in Pakistan , who goes there? Chinese ! try to go to any park in ur city and you will finds couples do everything possible with cloths on . Its so sad, but its true. I think mothers have to teach the girls that no man will marry them if he can have there bodies with out mariege . Trust me, it realy matters . all this girls are there with a false notion that the man touching there body will be there future husband .

  30. Assalam o alaikum

    Paki Puppet Govt wishes to promote western (Satanic) culture e.g Free mixing of male&female is one of the example.

    To keep public busy in numerous problems so that they get no time to think about their main aim of Life ie to Worship Allah and spread His message to Humanity.

    Once our ummah will stop calling for Maroof(good) & forbid ( stop) from munkar, Allah will not even answer our prayers( dua).

    The only solution to all our problem is Full submission to Allah’s command ie Islam.

    May Allah be happy with us ameen.

    From

    ABDULLAH, London , UK

  31. The government should follow Saudi Arabia where they have the strictest law about internet. 99% of porn sites are filtered. The ISPs in Pakistan should block porn sites. And turn should open their eyes before its too late.

  32. i just want to add my comment that we as a muslim and so far proud pakistani feeling so shamed after geting these results infact we are following badly the the ugly culture of west why not take this as a lesson and start believing that how these kind of sins make our self and our nation so shame full

  33. are bhai log hum sab to yahaan iss cafes bhaut bhala bura keh rahe hain or wo sab jinho ne aisa wesa kia hai sab ko bhi bura keh rahe hain lekin haqeeqat baat ye hai agar humein bhi aisa moqa milega mujhye poora yaqeen hum bhi aisi harkat se baaz nahi aayenge. or haan bahut log iss liye bhi rok tok karte hain ke na to un ke paas koi larki dost nahi hoti iss liye wo doosron se jalaa karte hain or doosri baat to ye ke bahut logon ke paas paise bhi nahi hote ke wo market se nayee lekar cafes par jain or apna moon kala karein to iss liye bhi wo doosron se jal kartai hain. ok

  34. The stuff described in these events is appalling and at the same time disheartening to me. Whenever we are faced with a story of extortion and morality I feel that there are a vast number of people who immediately appeal for government controls, while others appeal for condemnation of the people who were caught. This is in effect irresponsible and indicative of our lost faith in our own abilities to effect change. Bad things happen not because there isn’t a law against it, but because, many times, people believe that what they are doing is righteous and morally justified. Just take the case of the people who beat their sister/daughter in public. Is this because of the actions that she did? or is it mostly because the ones doing the beating felt they had the authority and right to punish? I fail to understand how we can believe in God and all his power and at the same time not hesitate at all to take judgement into our own hands and decide what is right and wrong, several times without complete information. Now I am not sure what happened to the people that did the extortion or those that compiled and sold the tapes, but these people are the true culprits. To want to profit from others by holding them hostage is completely immoral. You are ineffect a traitor to your fellow man. Is there a difference between a man who steals or extorts and a man who looks at “naughty” websites? I don’t want to preach here but at the same time I feel that we all miss the point at times when we listen and speak about this kind of stuff.

    The obvious victims are those who’s families are exploited and those poor people who took their own lives or were punished through force, but they aren’t the only victims of society. The people that feel it is correct to exploit and blackmail are also victims. Our own society has trapped many people in situations where their only outlets to self expression are through areas considered to be immoral or criminal. The way in which education is only valued if it is certain fields is completely ignorant. Without education we are killing the ambition and dreams of people. We are creating a situation that only compounds the problems. The problem isn’t that there is not enough regulation of cafes it is that people don’t know better. All 90% of the people do is look with disapproval, no one steps forward and offers alternatives or advocates for a fresh start. I feel that our society is becoming more and more grounded in hypocrisy. There are people that say it is wrong to do drink or have affairs but then engage in these activities behind closed doors.

    Are we saying that it is wrong to sin, but only if you get outed in the media? This mentality is incompatible with societal maturation and the personal development of our people.

  35. hey! I’ve read most replys, what baggers me is everyone seems to be talking religious and pride to families…bla bla bla.

    ok your right it was wrong watching prono and acting prono,BUT whose fault is it? FOR GOD SAKE,before blaming youngesters blame your elders,who are suppose to give you guide lines of your growing year.What live is,what it brings and most important SEX!!!!! Thats where we go wrong.Our parents think we are born with guidelines,and when something foolish happens,they blame you.

    please dont blame those who were the victims.Think how white blooded and cold hearted those cafe oweners are.They should be jailed atleast if no law is passed against them. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!

    you make me disgusted with sickness on you!!!!

  36. Hi fellows,

    Each & every body in this universe is being watched or observed by the God. There is no such place which is hidden from God,however if some one is going to commit sin then he should find a place where God is not present!

    (One can never find such place.)

  37. hi buddies , first of all i come to my point.
    i.e there is no place in the world where sin is not spread except few places.the matter is that
    peoples lost thier faiths to thier Gods.they want to enjoy thier life that is why that incident occurs.and only solution is to worship thier Gods with heart and soul.
    byeeeee

  38. I had read an artical recently which was in a bold headline Many Rights Make Wrong that totally matches what happned in Pakistan. I know some of these girls are paid to do so but most of them are doing for sexual fantasy. This act brings a bad name for all Muslims introducing them as nation not able to carry out their traditions and custom. I m not a Pakistani but much concerned about what happnd. I advise all Muslims to be more careful while using internet and etc stuff.

  39. i am very worried about those people which can doing these bad kinds of work but by this their original faces came very clear in all world and i think that their are many people in pakistan which can doing these type of works behind their home members or behind their husbands but this not is good here i can advise to all that if any one can like to do like these type of works then its better for them that they can tell to all their family members because if any one can know about your this type of work after your your this type ofv doing then really they can be doing something worse for you

  40. With the proliferation of cheap,aoffordable mini cameras,no one’s privacy is safe.I have heard some criminals have videotaped activities of newlyweds in hotel rooms and distributed them.New cameras come with night vision so you can still see them in the dark.This is getting more and more sickening and now even legally married couples are not safe.
    This would take us back to the practice of spending the wedding night in the safe and comfortable confines of our own home where you have to fear none. After all this is our culture and spending the nights in hotels is a western practice.

  41. Well,the internet cafe sex scandal has come and gone like a nightmare falling on our society.Lets say it was a rude awakening and installing the hidden cameras was in a way a blessing in disguise since had there been no cameras and no taped movies,the sinful acts would have continued even now and dozens of girls more would have lost their innocence and this would have gone on and gone.
    Thanks to those criminals who planted the hidden cameras,not only has their business come to an end for good but it has sent a wave of awareness all over the country and thats good.
    Having said that I have previously argued that internet cafes are a good place to spend time and more should be established but by obeying laws like no cabins and no closed doors etc etc.
    As i said this hurricane has already passed by.I doubt if anyone of you still remember what happened in UK in March 1992.A couple of British-Pakistani girls living in Manchester,UK did a few strip shows in UK raising money.What they used to do was invite a select gathering of mostly Pakistanis in a rented house and did strip shows for them which usually ended in mild lesbian acts.
    Movies of their shows did a roaring business in Pakistan so much so that newspapers in Pakistan published front-page reports about the Pakistani girls belonging to well-off families in Punjab.Their parents later disowned them and cursed their daughters but the daughters went on doing their acts for a few more months untill it all subsided and no one knows what happened to them.
    So one hopes the storm has subsided and whenever one goses around that notrious neighbourhodd which played host to the sinful acts it reminds us of the days it happened.

  42. Dear O Dear whatz happening in country like this. I have to say something about this topic that should it be publicized or not. The thing done by the respective Net Café owner is bad that he was taping without telling the general public about it. The fact I know about it is that the person initially has not planned this sin but after boyz n galz coming together he got the idea and he start taping it for his personal use then he and his society went to sale the tapped material. Immediately after the news were in air that this kind of thing is sold in all around the world the person left the country and the people living here in PAKISTAN some enjoyed some confused and some gone for suicide (hope u understand who went for suicide).
    Now what you say how Islam controls these kinds of things you take that. Now don’t publicize that this happens and people committed suicide change your style and publicize it like that people committed suicide due to bad sins they have so beware. What is the matter people will internally discuss it and finally the vigilant culture will be developed.

    Now come to a point one has posed in starting that if you are a man would your wife or sister kill you. I think when you look at this thing the only death through other person reported is father killed her daughter. The person who introduce you to this world has ended the story. You know the respective girl could never live if she would have alive but due to she died so she died may be she can reach to Paradise through this way.
    Think that if these people in this age are doing these lovely things what their future is. If you are trying to do something bad and caught napping certainly you are saved. If you have done it you have done it. That means a stamp is printed on you heart now there is no way to come back. It is pure form of ZANAH and need nothing to say more on this.
    Cameras in Net Café & Change Rooms:
    Change Rooms does not need cams so that is straight away a crime in net café I tell you what in our city there are two net café ‘s who have cabins and from last four years they are running these Ncafé s they have clearly printed on reception as well as in cabins that they are monitored both inside computer and outside the computer through cams so people go there and use net for last so many years we have not seen any bad report coming out even galz go there use net freely. Its just your inside which matters other things are second.

    Thanks

  43. Salaam to all !
    well i have read so many comments and almost everyone was right as far as defending his own point of view. all what happened 2 years back ! i can say is ” Result of Frustration” in our society. Frustration means , when we know everything is going around in our society ( like xxx movies , sites, dates by girls and boys in shape of universities lunches and dinners etc ), so we dont let any chance go from our hands. when we know publical declaration of such things are bad in our society. all we need to do is first to look into our selves what we are, what we could have done , if we were at place of those boys and girls. first we have to look into our zameer, then we have right to decide whats right and wrong. Those who did these acts got the reward, but we should make sure, what we say or discuss in the forums , we are like same when we get some real opertunity.
    thanks

  44. Hi Every1
    I jus wanted to say tht no 1 iz so innocent not even me…But da thing matters iz k uu have to tthink about ur family…Yara kaisay larkiyaan ya larkay apne parents ko cheat kartay hain,Saf see aik baat hai k when a gal gives a chance to a guy toh larkay toh hotay he isi intizaar main hain & tht iz a fact…Larkon ka kya hai uun ko koi fark nahi parta agar woh kuuch karain b lakin larkiyoon ko sochna chahiyeh k 1 day they have 2 get married….Larkon k pass sab say asaan formula I LUV U aur larke haan ab sab kuch tmhara hai sorry to say tht bt tht,s true….ALLAH he koi hidayat day aisoon ko… :P
    Take Care all of u
    BYEZZ

  45. Dear all,

    Nice to hear your nice comments regarding what happened in the net cafes.
    But I am thinking about Manisha Dutt, if I say she is more hot than the ones in the net cafe, so I think I will be right.
    She is comparing India and Pakistan; Pakistan is a Muslim country and have a nice and proper culture. India which now adays is acting the same like East, could not be ever compared with Pakistan.
    So Dear Ms. Manisha, please avoide this kind of writings in future.

    Regarding what happened, I would like to say; it is very shame, specially for a Muslim Society.

    I have one question from those parent; ARE THEIR ANY SUCH KIND OF PARENTS THAT STILL THEY GIVE PERMISSION TO THIER DAUGHTERS TO GO TO THE INTERNET CAFES?

    Still that I am not from Pakistan, but I am a muslim and there is no boundary in Islam. So it is a very big shame for us, the people of other religions will blame on us, that see there are also muslim like that. It is a big shy for all muslims around the world. All should be
    very very very very very very very very very very
    care full.
    Thanks for paying your attention, it is appeciatable.

    Thanks once again and bye, take care

  46. For u Imran… Iam married for 5 years. And I think i dont need any permission from my parents.
    I was a student myself I studied in Co-Education all my life. Or jahan tuk chance avail kerney ki baat hai…do u think every girl & guy in Pakistan is waiting for her/his chance to avail?Thats disgusting.It is inside u which tells u wht is wrong and wht is right. I dont blame guys….but yes girls…..they have to think before every step they take. Izzat bohut nazook cheez hoti hai.Eik dafah chuli jaaye to wapis nahi aatee.OOn girls ki wajah se kitni larkiyun per se oon k parents ka aiteemad khutam ho gaya ho gaa…..yeh kabhi soch hai aap ne. Parent apni daughters ko school or college bhaijtey huye yeh hi sochtey hon gay k pata nahi wahan se woh aagey kahan kahan jaati ho gee or kiya kuch nahi kertee ho gee. Kabhi yeh socha k iss eik incident ki waja se kitni hi larkiyun ki studies rok dee gayeen hon gee. Kisi ki zara see dair ki lust(I might say whtever was in that CD, it was not love it was simply lust) ki waja se kitni hi larkiyun k future berbaad ho gaye hon gay.

  47. Its in response to imran.
    It has been said here before as well that the talks about selling the cds outside is totally rubish. No one sold’em. Movies just made to control and then copies got out for no reason. Rest story all know about our paki society, copies and copies and copies – whoever came to know about it wanted it, and likewise it spreaded internationally. I know the story behind this, It is not what it appears. Owner did not even used to come there regularly, he didnt know what was happening until it was in news. this was all spoiled by our spoiled media. i accept it was not good for people who are in movie but believe me it has stopped hundred of thousands from doing anything like this forever. It was a lesson for all and in that sense it is better than anything else.

  48. Hmmmmmmm …….
    ya dat was a nightmare 4 us ven i saw dat cd i shocked!!!!!!! .. wot da hell iz goin’ on in our country. den instantly i ask a question to my self….r v muzlim da ans is not …… but question iz arises who is responsible ov dat

    (1)da honuor of dat cafe (Most stupid person who sold dat damn thingz into international market)?
    (2)da boyz who r frustrated ?
    (3)N da galz who givin’ him chance ?

    I think diz iz all due to da gap b/w us n our religion… da story is not ended here after diz lot ov other moviez(ov any hotel cam caught,park cam caught,university camcaught picz etc etc ) rapidly cummin’ in da market due to demand n all r pakiez ….

    N somthin’ 4 u SEEMA jee ya u r right but v r not angelz n v r clean until v did’t get any chance n u wrote there u saw dat cd did u ask ur parents to allow me to see dat damn cd did they permit u ??? GUNAH gunah hota hai har Baray gunah ki start chotay say hoti hai….
    so v cant blame them n i thing i m right n v should analyze our self b4 belamin’ to otherz

  49. The real culprits in the whole episode are the owners of the internet club who designed the cabins in such way that they look like hotel rooms complete with locks and invited the iblees by offering hardcore porn movies already saved in the hardisks for all to see.
    The girls have been unduly punished by their families for their acts. Instead they should have been pardoned and allowed to seek forgiveness from Allah but the criminals who were the masterminds of the whole sleazy business have gone spared.
    Not all internet clubs in Pakistan are like that but quite a lot of them offer hardcore porn movies to the users .I have visited a few centers, which have made shortcuts on their desktops. One only has to click it to be led away intoto a world of sin and sleaze,corrupting innocent minds.
    I am all for internet clubs actually. More should be opened and encouraged but a strict law must be passed whereby there must be no closed cabins and all PCs must face outwards not inwards. This will ensure people going to these centers will visit clean sites and not do sick acts when alone.Watching porn sites and then doing sinful acts is all the more dangerous in Pakistan where free mixing is looked down upon and this leads to a sick mind.We are losing a whole generation because of this dangerous trend.

  50. The very structure of the so-called internet ‘clubs’ in Pakistan are an open invitation for the iblees to play around.Why do they build closed cabins with locks inside?Obviously no one is going to do a research on a chemistry project or browse encarta..nobody.
    I have seen some internet clubs with icons and shortcuts on the desktops making sure hardcore porn sites are just a click away.
    Imagine your 12 year old sister or brother or son or daughter going to a netcafe to email but is instead lured to visit a hardcore porn site.A lot of these clubs offer to play hardcore porn movies already saved in the hardisk to make the job easier.This is a very very dangerous trend and must be stopped.If pornography continues to spread like this,no one will be spared.
    I am all for internet clubs.They are a better way to spend time than hanging around at street corners but they must be restructured and a law should be passed whereby there should be no closed cabins and the PCs should face outwards not inwards as in most other countries.
    Once the closed cabins are done away with it,I am sure this sleeezy business will come to an end.Good people will stay in the job while sick minds will go away.

  51. I am amongst those who saw the video.It all happened in an internet club in Commercial Market,Rawalpindi.The girls doing the act were not kidnapped or lured away,they went out with their boyfriends with their full consent and knowing well what they could do inside the cabins so they are equally to be blamed.
    Premartial sex in Pakistan is on the rise but not as rampant as it seems after watching that sick video.Most of the girls hangout with guys having been fooled that the guy won’t ever ditch her and they pay a price to get his loyalty but it all ends up in pain and rejection.
    Coming back to that video,everyone talks about the disaster coming down on the families involved but little is known about what happened to those assholes who filmed them.
    Did they flee or are they back in business doing some other sleezy work?They should be shot dead since they spread out the sin to millions of people and made money out of it.
    Anyway to inform you all,the voyeur filming of sex acts hasn’t stopped.More sex videos have come out from the red light areas and motels.Even legally married couples are not being spared in this sleazy business and their intimate moments are being filmed in hotels as well.

  52. Why those girls committed suicide? jub tuk kisi ko nahi pata tha k woh ghar se nikal ker kiya kerteen hain tub tuk sub thik tha. muger jub dunia ko pata chula to suicide ker leen..it means they were guilty. they knew wht they were doing was not right. parents jub apni olad ko ghar se bahar jaaney ki ijazat daitey hain to iss ka mutlub hai k woh oon per aiteemad kertey hain…. or aap ko koi huq nahi hai k aap apney parents ki izzat yoon neelam ker dain.

  53. Yes sex is a natural need but having it before marrige is not allowed in our religion and also in our culture. Insaan ko itna bhi nafs ka ghulam nahi hona chahiye k naa to woh juga daikhey or naa hi moqa. phir insan main or janwar main faraq hi kiya reh gaya. I have seen that CD and believe me I was astonished to watch wht all those guys were doing.Bohut saari girls hain jin ki shadi nahi ho paatee, iss main oon k parents ka koi qasoor nahi hota, iss ka yeh mutlub nahi hai k woh apney parents ki izzat ko neelam ker dain. or boys k liye bhi yehi baat hai…plz apney nafs k itney ghulam mut banain.

  54. God forgive us all, other wise we all commit sins of one nature or other. We all know what is happening all over and in pakistan. this case may be is just tip of iceburg. This is being discussed as it came to light , other wise what is not happening there. We should not compare ourselfs with other countries that this is nothing new. we know what all is happening there is extreemly bad, recently in France child sex abuse case came up, that all is filth but we have our own morals. Lets pray to God to guide and give us the strength to follow the correct path. Individual efforts can make socity collectively better but if we keep discussing who was at fault or what some one else did was more wrong and do not stop committing sins (which we r still committing every day) this will not lead us to any personal or collective good. OH GOD GIVE US ALL FORGIVENESS AND GUIDE US TO CORRECT PATH — AMEEN

  55. hi..

    my name is kamran and i live just few yards fromt hat pindi netclusb where this happened….and i was too using that particular netclub in past as other area fellows were using …

    tell me who teaches such kind of original french kissing to them, not even a single couple was doing love in pakistani style, so my dear fellows , think where real evil lies…

    so put some kind of filter check on cable channels and also on indian channels and also put filter on net sites as it is arleady working these kind of filters and checks in uae,

    from
    kamran, rawalpindi

  56. HI poeples how r u all i am sorry for those girls who commit suicide for their sin i want to tell u all that this problem was very crucial for every one who were involved in but every body should understand that fathers brothers who killed their daughter they will be very much painfull because they their own daughters caught
    by camera what they do if the woman is married their husband will leave them but wat about the fathers and brothers they have face all.i am just saying to them patience,this society is very bad this problem should be handled by government but in our country is lawles may god give them knowledge.first we should hang those
    cafe boys who did this all.create dillema for all. thanx

  57. While browsing I came across to view the comments of you people. Horriable tale, I imagined what would happend to the people who were trapped there and still living alive in our hypocrat society. For the people who create all the fuss and ruined the life of 50 young peaple(25 couples)I am sure must be freely moving around as I am very well aware of our so called laws.
    I would like to comment on Mr Imran views who is also running a net cafe. He says that people maturbate in his cafe and he catch them. Well I think that he belongs the same mentality. Obviously you are providing them privacy and then catch them playing with themselves. Bad thing.
    what the young couples have been doing in privacy was natural thing. we should not relate this act to religion or country. Put a couple from any creed race or religion in a cabin and they would do the same thing. Mr Asif says that he has done toba, but I am sure that same thing would be happened again if he will get any chance. Do not get upset if there would have been me or my young sister result would have been the same.
    In the end I would request all of you people not to feel yourself better than anybody. What Mr Javaid Choudhry has emphasise in the writing is clear and present danger of coming technology. I have already seen the movies captured by cameras of mobile phone where you dont see the male but only female doing something to boy unaware that boy is capturing her. Be careful all of you

  58. Assalam-u-Alaykum

    Its really interesting to see so many opinions and it is good to have discussion on such impending topics in our modern Islamic society. My opinion is that we educate the people and encourage people to leave this material crap behind us. Parents need to realize that they should marry off their children at an earlier age and do not constrain their children which would force them to do bad things. I mean in the Prophet’s (SAW) time it was really easy for people to marry and it was very easy for people to do halal and very difficult to do haram. Nowadays though people find it easier to do haram then the halal way. This change has cost us this terrible dilemma we see today. If only parents would realize that a bank balance, a degree, and a good job are not necessary requirements for marriage, these barriers cause these haram type of things to happen. We need to encourage early marriages and promote a family life.

    Wassalam
    Maaz Shah

  59. I read short and tall stories and Mr. J Ch.’s rant. I have been around the globe and only thing I know is that there is no point in having cabins in netcafes. So far, I have not seen any internet cafe with cabins in USA, CANADA or Euroope.

    The registration of cafe is not a solution. The solution is in enforcement of only one law that would require net cafes not to have cabins. They can have a computer lab style desks with seperators and that should be enough for privacy purposes. No one would be able to look over someones shoulder to sneak on one’s email or something.

    As far as freedom of information and browsing whatever you want is concerned, go home and do whatever you want in the privacy of your home. You are answerable to your sins to Allah as long as you are in ‘chardiwary’ if you do it in public then society’s laws apply. Remember the concept of chaddar and chardiwary. I am not making a case for doing sins at home but eleborating a point that public domains should be open. If you scream for cabins in the name of privacy then seek privacy in home not in public.

    For short, there should be no cabins in internet cafes. They were meant for only one purpose and that has become obvious …..

    Even if you want to have cabins then the doors should be like the restroom doors in western coutries. One feet cut from bottom and top so that you can see heads and legs, I mean who is inside. You will have enough privacy to information but at the sametime no opportunity to have sex, which means no incentive for netcafe wala (owner) to do voyeurism.

    The voyeurism has been very common in rest of the world, thanx to camera cell phones and wireless spy cameras. I guess it is not easy to stop but having effective and well defined laws will help. NetCafe registration would be ineffective and only promote more corruption. If you can register
    and have cabins at the same time you can still do voyeruism by buying out the law enforcement agents. The only solution is having open spaces in net cafes.

  60. Hi buddies i’ve read all your talk.Let me tell u one thing that Pakistan is not the first place where such an has occured.Infact in Delhi we have a lot of sex of unmarried people.The fact is in India we run open brothels where sex is allowed.Our movies very well depict this.A large number of unmarried hindu gals r involved in backdoor sex with their boyfriends.Nobodies says anything abt it overhere so wats the point of creating all this havoc in Pakistan?

  61. Okz i had read what SANA have said about me………listen…….if u do mistake and u r ashamed of that,it means u r asking for forgivness from GOD.GOD helps this kind of ppl.but the ppl like u are the ppl inside that cafe to record all that scene.i was not blamming anyone,i did a mistake and i got its result. and one more important thing,b4 the news enclosed to me or anyone other about those camera,i already had left those things.
    so its only ur thinking about others…….or hypocrats…….as u may have seen ppl like these.i was not blamming any cristians or muslims…but what is fact is fact.what i did was wrong…….but they did with me that was also wrong……for my mistake they cud call my family…but for there mistake to whome we can call…..i was punished bcoz of sex…….but they also did the same thinking plus blackmailing…so what punishment they deserves.with SANA comments its seems that SANA have no pain for the ppl who died.

  62. i dont think there should be any problem if 2 consenting adults want to have intercourse if they are not married to someone else and are using proper contraception. afterall , they are not impringing on someone else’s right. This is the 21st century and we should remember that Europe only started developing, after they ditched religon. As for the bloody maulvis who say that it was right to kill these girls, they should go to some Madressah and get themselves sodomized.

  63. oh man, i read so many ppl. espcially Mr Asif Ali. nice bloody story. u know..ppl like u,creat religious diferences. u did something in a net cafe, and then u blame it on Indians and Cristians. bloody hypocrats!! let me tell u something abour U! u stoped doing ur fiance because u found out about the cameras. if there were no cameras,then u would have never stopped feeling up ur lady!! right??? I KNOW IM RIGHT!! the momement somebody statred taping u guys…it became a sin!! i cant believe how hypocritical u guys are. blaming other ppl. u know..LOOK INTO UR OUN SELF.

    Also, i would liike to say tht,Mr. Liaquat Ali was totally correct. it is ver rare to find a good people like him in the muslim community anymore. i want to ask all those ppl who are blaming the ppl doing sexual acts in the net cafe, havent u lloked at a girl and thought of “doing” it with her, or feeling her up!? havent u ever watched a porn..and havent u ever ran to the bathroom the “feel good”?? YES! ALL OF U HAVE. so all u bloody hypocrats..and no life losers…LOOK INTO UR OWN WORLD,AND THEN BLAME THE OTHERS.

  64. Okz,
    I had read almost all the comments.but no one else knows this case better than me…..becoz i was one of them to which this case happend.i know that place that cafe[its no more there],Hundred and Hundreds of thx to GOD that i was not cuaght on video,but whatever they did with us,me n my fieonce, that was enough for both of us…….till our death…….he spoiled us.
    After 2 years i m even not able to share my tension with anyone else bcoz what we did was wrong…….but what happens with us…..we donot deserves that…….no one knows about this problem with me and my fionce but its a night mare.
    those guys were from Gujrat,Named with Shuakat,Tariq and one of them was cristain i dont remember his name.
    why i m telling this all on this forum…..may b becoz none of u all people will come to knwo who am i.
    Nopw thx to Allah we are not doing that bad sin after that accident happend with us…..we did TUABA……and may b becoz of that tauba……we did not cuaght into there hidden cameras…….thx to Allah tala…..otherwise me n my fieonce was ready to get die.

  65. hi,
    I know that those couple in the net cafe have done a great sin but was their crime so big that they have to loose their life for it. The people who made the video are the real criminals, first they invaded the privacy and secondly they blackmailed them. I dont know but one thing is for sure our society is going down. The people who made the video deserve death because they are responsible for the chaos in the society.

  66. Salam everyone
    Yaar jo bhi hua bohat bura hua iss per mujay balkay ham sab ko behad afsos hai ye sab batain apni jaga jo kuch hua iss per hamari govt. ko koee action lena chaey tha maslan net cafes ko registar kerna uk k leay aik law bnana jiss main net cafes aik had main reh ker apna kaam kerain yani koi movies na chalay net related i mean chatting email or good surfing ho phir porn web sites band block ker dain koee aisa filter lagaein jisss se kisi qisam ki koi porn site open na ho cabins open ho kisi qisam ki koi partitioning na ho cabin main sab open reh ker kaam kerian ettcc. per hamaray govt. ko koi fikar hi nahi hai saray k saray yahoodi hain dosto ye sab yahoodio k chaal hai k ham pakistani ayashio main peray rahay or isi tera berbad hotay rahay ok yaar bas main itna hi kehna chahta tha Allah sab ko apni aman main rakay khuda hafiz

  67. Just imagine a situation where u are with ur fav. female to whome to love most , and there are no places around you where u can go & have nice time with her (?) .

    Then anybody will try to locate such place which will give u a privacy of short period.
    i think cafe’s are the solution and that’s why rest of the things happens

    banned on private cafes is not the solution , there must be a place where u can feel private

  68. salam All…

    Its ben pretty long to this incident but still there is an echo coming across.
    I would like to laude the comments of Mr. Faisal very much right in his assertion.
    We are so deeply struck by the modrenisation phenomenon that sounds real difficult to revolt.The frustration is at its peak and we unconsciously exhaust it through some way or the other..and we feel good same in this case just talking and listening and reading about it.
    Dear All…. i ld like to endorse the views of mr FAISAL and will recoomend to give a deep thinking to our ownself…IF we think in the shoe of those who suffered …we will never talk abt it agian.
    So its better to stay quiet and seek their forgivenes from Allah Almighty as “TO err is human”….AND NO ONE KNOWS…who is NEXT!
    tc

  69. ALLAH says
    PUT the PARDAH on OTHERS SINS
    HE will Put the Parda On Yours Sins
    I think Its enough for US
    I dont think we have to discuss it more
    ALLAH sab sey Bahtar Janey wala hay
    Beshak We all are in SINs But HE put the PARDHA on our sins
    ALLAH ney 100 Murder karney waley koo Maaf kar deya No body knows WOO kiss kiss Koo Kiss baat par maaf kar dey Gaa
    We have to see ourself No need to discuss and see into other personal matters
    Faisal Aleem

  70. I would just like to comment on the issue of killing those girls (ahem…while letting the guys free). Islam laid down in the quran a strict rule that if you are to accuse a woman then u have to produce 4 adult muslims who have impeachable character who actually saw the act of penetration. and even then stoning to death is only for married adulterers.
    So may i know where are the four pious ppl. Is the evidence of a blackmailer,a swindler a men of the worst character admissable in any Islamic court!!! thirdly four ppl are supposed to have seen the real act and not merely the captured images which we all know can be made up.
    fourthly i dont remember the name of the caliph but i believe it was hazrat Ali and during his time a couple was charged by four men that they had committed adultery. Those four people were lashed you know why? because the crime of adultery was done behind closed doors and not in the open and peeping on people (nowadays with a hidden camera) is strictly not allowed.
    The real person to be punished is that guy and all his cronies who carried out this shameful act of videotaping. yes the couples were wrong to do it, but may i know on what basis did every1 assume that they were not married????
    please those couples did wrong but Allah does not like people who ashame others like this. If we are true and real muslims we will stop thinking of the girls as ‘bad’ bcos I am really sorry to say that we have no iota of islamic evidence to accuse them. If you are real believers accept them as normal girls who MAY have committed some wrong but who has not from among us anyway.
    One of the sahabi once said that whomsoever looks (ok let us change it to stare,scan,mental rape)at a woman who is a non-mahram commits adultery.why dont all of us give our eyes 40 lashes then!
    Islam is not about stoning and lashing or owning women it is about humanity. islam has tried to make sure that crimes like adultery dont become something that is openly committed in public, and there is a fine line between reporting a crime and watching secretly through a camera.this was pure and simple blackmail, none of the evidence is permissable as the provider of that evidence is a criminal a lier, a blackmailer, and in any case there are no FOUR witnesses of pious character who can testify that they saw the act of penetration. stop hounding these women now as required by your very own religion

  71. Well i am the owner of one internet cafe in Lahore.
    What ever people are explaining in theirs articles is their imaginations and opinion, but they never through the real conditions as I.
    I will not blame to any girl or boy for such an accident even net cafes.
    I have been running my cafÈ since 1999.
    No couple is allowed in my cafÈ and you people want to know couple fights with us daily.
    They said.
    Why? Why can not? You can not stop us we pay for that.
    What kind of services you are providing.
    Mostly were girls using those questions. ( I am not against of woman what I got I am explaining).
    Many times we had talked badly about such condition.
    Many momís came and leaved their daughters in cafÈ ( for what? where they want to go?)
    Many girls try to smoke in cabins.
    Many girls even try to drink (Shrab).

    If we know it we always stop. But it is not our duty to teach them.

    About adult sites human is crazy for sex this is my experience. Old young eldest even 60 year old men all do it in my cafÈ and I have been seeing them through my server.

    Even some do HP (mostly people I hope know it: D)
    We caught them but they just smile and say sorry .
    This is not the problem of Pakistan all our world have same problem with different situation. I have many more things.
    Useless to explain. Better we try to make our self better .
    I am also not nice as Muslim but I try.
    This is the evil time.
    Take care all

  72. I agree with you Liaquat Ali, you are very much right, people are talking about all this because they have come to know about this, dont people think before this cd, those people were doing nothing, they were doing everything, but that was hidden from society, now everyone knows it, so there should not be no difference. All pakistan video shops selling and renting sex movies, not from western countires but those made within Pakistan, why dont people speak about this, because everybody loves this and watches this all. People committing suisided is natural, when anybody comes to know about him/herself that s/he been caught, its natural to comitt suiside, bcus they know they were wrong.
    This cafe story is just a child, we have finish parents and elders, those are sex movies in music/video centres, MUJRAS, HEERA MANDI SYSTEM, INTERNET SEXY SITES. if these things are not there, this will not happen for sure.

  73. Hi all,
    I have been reading people saying alot of mis-guided ideas and stories abt what happened in net cafe. No one, believe me NO ONE sold the cds for money, and NO ONE AT ALL blackmailed anybody, its all rubich altogether. the cd just went out of cafe, cpoies and copies and copies and now its over the world. It was started to control the people and tell them dont do this, but they used to fight that they are right and they were not doing anything, then they might have started this as a proov, and later on owner of the cafe didnt know at all what was happening in the club, as he he rarely used to sit in the cafe, the guys working there, could be there deed. but this selling cd for 10 lack, or black mailing is absolutely rubich, actually this was something new for the people of pak, thats y it got so much advertisement. this story chould be closed now, you cannot say anybody wrong here apart from people who were doing sex there, instead of using cafe for information they were using it for their own sake.

  74. All,

    I read some replies but not all, generaly people commenting seem to be living in what I would call cukoo land or have their heads burried in sand. Most cant seem to remember their own days when they are young. Further to call Pakistan a moral country even, so lies, killings, hidden rapes, forced marriages, selling girls, revenge killings, bribery, fake promises, major ego problms ..my list is long …all seem okii to all of you cos these have been their since birth of Pakistan.
    Only shamefull thing you found is some folks having sex.. the rest dont matter or I dont see comments on.

    As for religion and sex ..solution is not to hold it so to speak solution is marriage..oh no then you have western hat on its too early too young not mature… what the hell do you expect these young people todo.. and before netcafes are you telling me there were no pre-marital affairs.

    Just having the name muslim makes you moraly correct.. believ me most westerners are far far more moral then you muslims.. they do everything in open with reason… since they dont marry early or not at all they allow premarital sex.

    You cant delay marriage and not allow natural body needs to exist.

    I am going to say no shame on people on cd’s ..shame on you all for creating a situation for the cd’s ..and how all of you innocently have the cd’s .. believe me its not that easy to get them unless u goto certain places and ask.. no friend of mine dropped any on my lap.

    All I can say is to wake up to reality and cut this honour crap .. it only exist as a double standard.. no one from inside believes in it.. before you comment bla bla on me .. just open your eyes and explain to me how over half a million prostitutes make a living in Lahore alone.. who pays them ..
    As for laws and filtering .. you cant filter porn.. and Pakistan is a lawless country .. I dont see any laws working, making new once wont make a damn difference.

    Also before net cafe’s .. how many of you were inocently watching porn on video!!!

  75. salam all.
    I heard about the pakistani internet cafe scandal in Hong Kong , those days i was there and one of my indian friend passed me this Cd and asked me to see WHAT IS HAPPENING BEHIND THE VIEL , when i saw I really feel so much shame and everyone laughed on pakistani society .
    This is all in that Cd was inspiration of western culture and of indian media , which makes mind like this , but one should think about him/her self and all of their respected families , coz this kind of act can make all the family to hide face from the society.
    Also every person have their own responsibility to stop this kind of culture , this time if we see anyone and ignore then we are not loyal to our Nation ,our Country , our families also .
    We must act togather and now because all things cannot be controll by local police or goverment

  76. Asalam Alaikum everybody,
    My heart goes out for those family who lost there girls and had to go through with this unimaginable pain that i cannot even think about it. I am sorry that you guys had to face black mailing, physical and metally tourcher in this so called “MUSLIM COUNTRY” pakistan. I read lots of comments about that, its girls and there family fault, and yes i support that.Its family fault that you guys live in this so called “MUSLIM COUNTRY” PAKISTAN, its your fault because your pakistani and i am sorry about that. I was there last year in pakistan I live there for about month and for whole month i didnt even find one “MUSLIN” in this so called “MUSLIM COUNTRY”. Pakistani people are the most bios, arrogant and illiterate people in the world and i am embarrass to call my self pakistani where people like blackmailers get away and nobody even talk about how bad and discusting thing that they did to those family, they didnt only mentally but physically hurt those family they should be charge for murder. And family like them had to suffer and plus had to take shit from you people. In pakistan there is nothing but a double standard. Now tell me all of you who think that thats girls fault or there family fault or there family suppose to kill those girls or anything. If you want this islamic laws than we should have every islamic laws not only for those family but for everybody in every aspect. Islamic laws not only for sex but for stealing too and so on. And my friends islamic law for stealing is that your hand cut off from your wrist. Stealing electric city, direct connection which i saw in pretty much ever house there, those people hands suppose to be cut off. Its really easy to say that its the family or girls fault but you guys have no idea, what they have to go through. I can only pray for all of us that we never had to go through what they had been through. But next time if you talk about islamic laws or think thats there family fault look at your self first or look at your “HAND” before judge anybody.
    Allah hafiz.

  77. Dear All

    these cyber cafe’s are not for the chating or for the internet use sorry to say but these are only for privacy for the couples where they can made their love and for those frustrated boys and girls who look prono site and stuff , well closing is not the solution yeah we can do one thing by made a cafe oon one standard in which no privacy nothing no couple boxes cafe shuold be open that the real solution and every cafe must have to follow the design or some thing where they cannot make these boxes for couples that how we can get rid of that dirt from our country and th actuall who want to use will come out and use then you sister my sister any one can go and surf if they want but the atmoshpere should be open no dim light no boxes no privacy that it

    Thank

  78. Very Very shamefull to all of us that we as a young people are encouraging them for this step. what is happening to us…
    this life is mortal . may be we will understand this but when . this question will remain unanswered

  79. Wow…to finally find the real dirt in pakistan, and for this to be so openly exploited I’m suprised. The behaviour of these young adults is shocking and an embaressment and of course punishment is to be sought from the almighty himself.Is it not him who decides the time and place of death, and is it not him and only him who has the righteous power to take a life, be that of a street whore who carries out the acts of sin to survive, or that of a person who has taken anothers life. No one has the right to take a life, except the almighty. Recently having visited pakistan and seen over such a time period how much had changed from my last visit, showed how westernised cultures had over-powered the traditional and cultural pakistan I once came to know. ‘you shouldn’t forget your roots’ the most common words uttered from parents to their children living in the UK or anywhere but Pakistan. How can we possibly look them in the eyes and say how wonderful of place their country is with all this dirt going about. After my visit and seeing the country in such a state, i had to say the only way to survive in pakistan is to LIE, CHEAT & STEAL… Its the truth, the rich are too rich and shame on them for not controlling their ‘i think im all that’ children for getting out of hand, and the poor, well you only have to take a good look. So its understandable WHY the blackmailers did it. As you can see i have not refered to girls in one way and to boys another as the saying goes IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO!!
    Both can be blamed equally. Parents play a key role into how their children grow up, so yes they should also get a fair share of the blame. I guess this is a lesson which SHOULD to be learnt by everyone. Im also not saying that the girls who took thier lifes did good, because if they didnt, someone else probably would have, and for what?…HONOUR…oh yes im sure were suppose to take that to our death beds.

  80. sex is a porblem of every adult, when he or she get young. this mean this is a need and they need to full fill that by fair or unfair means.
    there was a time there is no media no tv no megzines no internet but ppls still commit such act…
    plus another things a person who is at stray commit such sins. so there is a need of correction not punishment now.
    and islam don’t allow anyone to kill someone for such reason… reference…
    Once a Sahabi come to Holy Prophet, He said i saw such thing, if i tell someone, according to islam ppls will kill me, if i keep quit then i’m no longer remain muslim, so our holy prophet said to him.
    Leave your wife…
    That man saw his wife having sex with some other man…
    he did’nt killed that person who was with her wife..
    he come to holy prophet, holy prophet told him what to do now….
    so the ppls who killed there daughters did wrong…
    and the person who released this video also did wrong.

  81. Undoubtedly, It is extremely unlawful to record someone’s personal activity and later exploit it to black-mail the former. This can not be solved individually,for, in this way, the dirt can-not be washed away effectively, however, GOVT. intervention is profoundly important to prohibit these acts raised by few devils across the country. All such persons happened to caught must be strictly treated so that this evil can be abolished from the country. Praying for my country to rise HIGHEST on the globe n World is gonna watch it. Regards :-

  82. sorry for the girls who committed suicide after their noble deeds were disclosed….shame on their parents who let loose their daughters with their boyfriends…..we are muslims and any such act will produce this kind of serious repercussions……..being an islamic country our govt should immediately ban all porno sites to avoid distruction of our young generations…….
    I m really sorry to say that living with this dirt we neither become Iqbals shaheens nor good muslims………….
    we must accept that we are muslims and one day Allah will ask us about what we did…….
    thanks

  83. Hi everybody!
    It is really difficult to wrie or say about what happened in Rawalpindi. I wonder how girls and boys are crazy about sex. No doubt, everybody likes it but it should be done according to our religion and after marriages. By chance my cousin got the CD. Oh my God, that was worst. I wonder how young girls were sitting with their boyfriends and doing unexplainable. Trust me few of them were in scarves and gowns (usually a symbol of nobility. One guy was doing un natural thing with a school girl. Some out of you must be thinking that i am enjoying writing this. I swear i just want to let you know that take care of your daughters. I read some females gave comments like this “Can your wife or sister kill you, if you are caught betraying their honor?”. Listen sir/madam will you allow your daughter, sister or mother doing this, never. For such fuck ups death is the only punishment. I am sure after this incident a lot of girls will avoid making boyfriends as this is a craze these days. Anyway this what i think you may differ it. Love, Aamer

  84. This is so disturbing and upsetting. The solution is not to ban pornographic sites. The people who are photographing and videotaping such things are sick minded people. They have no honor and no respect neither for themselves, their mother and sisters and wife and nor those of others. People, this is a muslim country. Does it look like one? I feel so ashamed of my fellow country men. People who committed sin of adultery, that is their act and Allah will punish them if He wants. It does not give anyone right to extort those families. Of course, I do condemn having sex in cyber cafes and adultery as well, but regulating internet sites is not the solution here. The problem is far bigger and worse than controlling access to obscene site.

  85. Hello Everyone,
    We are FAR,FAR,FAR & FAR AWAY to be called civilized and Human after the incident in rawalpindi. We have no right to blame any one in the world who is doing wrong, after what we have done to our own people…….

  86. Hi Any Body
    This case very teroble ….every body talking about the net cafe licence deregulation …. I think there is need to wash the minds of our young genreation about sex voilience… every boys n girls hungry about sex…..there is need to prevent them…… i think the only reason of that our lak of knowledge about our religon…..
    This is the time for parents to think and act .
    to how they educate there childrens to prevent them by these full of sham act……..

  87. Sepoy: Can your wife or sister kill you, if you are caught betraying their honor?
    Ejaz: *deeply impressed*
    On Talha Iqbal: why everyone’s so power hungry anyway? Either government controls it or private sector or both? Whose property is cyberworld anyway? Yeah, regulating cyber cafes and issuing licenses is a decent enough suggestion and that’s something we can back but not convert into legislation without government’s willingness (thankfully, there does seem some ray of light). And while we are there, we have even bigger problems: Our ISPs’ inadequate responses to combat Spam to be on top of my wishlist. Interestingly, while we shouldn’t expect them to combat SPAM or junkmail, we can at least expect them to have their servers cleaned from these viruses, worms and other crap. WorldCall who invested millions of rupees building and creating a fibre-optic broadband providing company is deeply infected with viruses on its “pirated network” not only that their lawless networks keep an eye no one can stand. Smaller companies have even bigger problems. The end result for me is that I should sit silently and communicate with as many users/customers I can, in my own capacity, and discuss with them various issues/scenarios attached with online world and those who provide/bring this service.

  88. salamzZ!
    i have seen everybody sayin that these cafes haf destroyed many houses n many girls haf commited suicide so these cafes should be banned 0r looked by authorities…n bla bla…
    But juz think if ur wife 0r sis. wud haf been their in dat cafe n u didnt knew abt it ur entire life n suddenly u know abt it…u wud haf certainly killed her for betrayin u or for doin such thins….so i think their is no fault of these cafe walas infact is the fault of these ever betrayin gals…
    Any wayz wat i want to suggest is dat by promotin these cafe’s into media 0r where ever possible (not promoting to bann the cafes) we can gain sumthin i.e the gals 0r the persons goin in cafe’s will alwayz be aware of such activities by cafes(that their pics 0r photos can also becum public)which will stop them from doin such shameful acts.They will never even think of doin such thins n also they wudnt even think of visitin any nude site.They also will prefer usin their own PC’s and may be startin using PC’S for sumthin more informative. And by this we will help our society in preventing all such non-acceptable deeds, which wud help a great deal in building a better society…..
    Many of u wud disagree but consider sum1 close to u doin these shameful acts may be then u will change ur mind………
    faraz Muhammad fateh

  89. Pak gov. (PTA) must implement a law for the cyber cafe’s in the country. There should be some standards provided by that gov. for cyber cafe’s design. I think we (private sector) should take some step for creating a body for controlling cybernet in the country.

  90. Did i give that impression? Filtering and monitoring are NOT the solution at all. Hmmm… re-reading the post, i guess, i should have made clear that there was derision in my tone.
    Censoring or monitoring the internet will not deter this crime. Having responsible laws of privacy will – that and some responsible computing by the populace.

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