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	<description>what is the vertiginous chapati saying to me?</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Schulte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Schulte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 09:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an American and yes I do have a tendency to smile alot to strangers and in public. Yes, there is SOME false pretense smiles in certain individuals that is used to get what they want in our culture. But for the most part our smiles are sincere in one degree or another the possible reason for this is because we as a country havent had to deal with dictators, communist, or just plane tyrants so we have had the ability to express our own emotions without worring about offending someone or worse getting thrown in jail or shoot for smiling at the wrong moment. So as some of you would say I am just another pompous American for thinking in such a way then yes I am pompous and those how are offened should for once think for themselves and not be controlled by others, instead try indulging in a little bit of everyones culture if you do then you could get a better unstanding. As for the rest thank you for trying to understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an American and yes I do have a tendency to smile alot to strangers and in public. Yes, there is SOME false pretense smiles in certain individuals that is used to get what they want in our culture. But for the most part our smiles are sincere in one degree or another the possible reason for this is because we as a country havent had to deal with dictators, communist, or just plane tyrants so we have had the ability to express our own emotions without worring about offending someone or worse getting thrown in jail or shoot for smiling at the wrong moment. So as some of you would say I am just another pompous American for thinking in such a way then yes I am pompous and those how are offened should for once think for themselves and not be controlled by others, instead try indulging in a little bit of everyones culture if you do then you could get a better unstanding. As for the rest thank you for trying to understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Sundara Gul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sundara Gul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 23:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha! I agree with you for most of the parts! I experience the same thing. Recently, I moved to Calgary, Canada and here you find many desis. Mainly Pakistanis and Indians. I was in "Karachi Bazaar" (grocery store) and I saw this aunt and I smiled at her and Said, "Assalam-O-Alaikum!" n I find it very rude and I was offended by her behavior that smile back was by far different thing, she didn't bother to say "Walaikum-Salam" instead she said, "excuse me!" I was like...WHATTTT!? lol. I thought, I should share 'coz I have experienced it a lot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha! I agree with you for most of the parts! I experience the same thing. Recently, I moved to Calgary, Canada and here you find many desis. Mainly Pakistanis and Indians. I was in &#8220;Karachi Bazaar&#8221; (grocery store) and I saw this aunt and I smiled at her and Said, &#8220;Assalam-O-Alaikum!&#8221; n I find it very rude and I was offended by her behavior that smile back was by far different thing, she didn&#8217;t bother to say &#8220;Walaikum-Salam&#8221; instead she said, &#8220;excuse me!&#8221; I was like&#8230;WHATTTT!? lol. I thought, I should share &#8216;coz I have experienced it a lot!</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, ditto in Russia: smiles valuable, American smiles considered cheap. Or so it is often generalised...

I think, personally, that it's not just smiling. The superficiality of American civility in general confuses me (this is the pompous, "as a Brit" moment). I had to deal with a lot of Americans last summer on a fleeting, anonymous basis. 90% would introduce themselves with "how are you?", and I'd &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; fall for it, thinking they actually expected an answer, not realising that the question part of the question had no significance; or at least, a different significance.

"How are you?"
"I'm OK, yours--?"
"We'd like to..."
*rob is left open-mouthed, mid-response, feeling half-presumptuous, half-annoyed*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, ditto in Russia: smiles valuable, American smiles considered cheap. Or so it is often generalised&#8230;</p>
<p>I think, personally, that it&#8217;s not just smiling. The superficiality of American civility in general confuses me (this is the pompous, &#8220;as a Brit&#8221; moment). I had to deal with a lot of Americans last summer on a fleeting, anonymous basis. 90% would introduce themselves with &#8220;how are you?&#8221;, and I&#8217;d <em>always</em> fall for it, thinking they actually expected an answer, not realising that the question part of the question had no significance; or at least, a different significance.</p>
<p>&#8220;How are you?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;m OK, yours&#8211;?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;We&#8217;d like to&#8230;&#8221;<br />
*rob is left open-mouthed, mid-response, feeling half-presumptuous, half-annoyed*</p>
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		<title>By: dacoit</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are corresponding theories regarding the artificicality of people in the various regions of the US where folks are 'nice' and 'friendly' (and also smile lots).  Accordingly, only the very occasional friendliness of the usually grumpy folks in New England and the mid-Atlantic are truly genuine, whereas the warmth of the populace of other regions is somehow false or sinister (southerners are secretly racist, midwesterners are just going through the motions, Californians think they are better than you, etc).  Does this mean that people from Boston, New York and Philly (or the subcontinent, for that matter) do not brush their teeth as much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are corresponding theories regarding the artificicality of people in the various regions of the US where folks are &#8216;nice&#8217; and &#8216;friendly&#8217; (and also smile lots).  Accordingly, only the very occasional friendliness of the usually grumpy folks in New England and the mid-Atlantic are truly genuine, whereas the warmth of the populace of other regions is somehow false or sinister (southerners are secretly racist, midwesterners are just going through the motions, Californians think they are better than you, etc).  Does this mean that people from Boston, New York and Philly (or the subcontinent, for that matter) do not brush their teeth as much?</p>
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		<title>By: tsk</title>
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		<dc:creator>tsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-)</description>
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		<title>By: sepoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sepoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob: Favorite moment from my "Orientation" was when the International Advisor told us that: "When American girls say 'See You Later', it does NOT mean you have a hot date that evening."

Dacoit: One can keep peeling an onion, no? And they def. don't brush their teeth in NYC. sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob: Favorite moment from my &#8220;Orientation&#8221; was when the International Advisor told us that: &#8220;When American girls say &#8216;See You Later&#8217;, it does NOT mean you have a hot date that evening.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dacoit: One can keep peeling an onion, no? And they def. don&#8217;t brush their teeth in NYC. sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember as a kid we watched American TV programmes and found the *teeth* somewhere between hilarious and terrifying. HUGE. WHITE. SMILES.

The more you spent on your teeth, the greater the compulsion to show them off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember as a kid we watched American TV programmes and found the *teeth* somewhere between hilarious and terrifying. HUGE. WHITE. SMILES.</p>
<p>The more you spent on your teeth, the greater the compulsion to show them off?</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thoughts. After more than 7 years in the US, I still haven't caught the smile bug. I wonder why.

As dacoit points out, even in the US, smiles vary. I have not seen a New Yorker (city, not state) smile, for example. When my wife moved back from Jersey to Atlanta, she was surprised at how many people here say hi to strangers.

The Pakistani sneer I have never liked, especially when it is so status-conscious. And at the wedding, no one allows the bride to smile. I have seen family elders admonishing the bride whenever she smiles during the ceremony.

There is a stereotypicality to the idea that American smiles are fake but smiles, "hi", "how are you?" to strangers here are just that, nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts. After more than 7 years in the US, I still haven&#8217;t caught the smile bug. I wonder why.</p>
<p>As dacoit points out, even in the US, smiles vary. I have not seen a New Yorker (city, not state) smile, for example. When my wife moved back from Jersey to Atlanta, she was surprised at how many people here say hi to strangers.</p>
<p>The Pakistani sneer I have never liked, especially when it is so status-conscious. And at the wedding, no one allows the bride to smile. I have seen family elders admonishing the bride whenever she smiles during the ceremony.</p>
<p>There is a stereotypicality to the idea that American smiles are fake but smiles, &#8220;hi&#8221;, &#8220;how are you?&#8221; to strangers here are just that, nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: swati</title>
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		<dc:creator>swati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sepoy,
any thoughts on the frightening prospect of having "bless you" barked at you evertime you dare to sneeze? It must be some Pavlovian reaction, I have now stopped sneezing in public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sepoy,<br />
any thoughts on the frightening prospect of having &#8220;bless you&#8221; barked at you evertime you dare to sneeze? It must be some Pavlovian reaction, I have now stopped sneezing in public.</p>
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		<title>By: Anand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dil ke tukde tukde kar ke muskara ke chal diye...

smiling, when you don't really mean it, is one of the crullest things you can do in the hindi film song tradition, a direct continuation of the hinustani-urdu poetry tradition....

and oh, i've had a whale of a time in lahore without anyone smiling much - except once they figured i was indian. then the wattage came on, and the conversations, and the discounts/freebies.  and boy, did that feel great...

people in delhi/elsewhere get really puzzled becuase i have a big goofy absent minded grin on my face a lot... 'why does he smile this much?'

i would recommend watching the newwest indian advertisement for 'happydent' gum - a bizzzare twist on both sub-coninental 'smiling' and chris pinney's camera indica...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dil ke tukde tukde kar ke muskara ke chal diye&#8230;</p>
<p>smiling, when you don&#8217;t really mean it, is one of the crullest things you can do in the hindi film song tradition, a direct continuation of the hinustani-urdu poetry tradition&#8230;.</p>
<p>and oh, i&#8217;ve had a whale of a time in lahore without anyone smiling much - except once they figured i was indian. then the wattage came on, and the conversations, and the discounts/freebies.  and boy, did that feel great&#8230;</p>
<p>people in delhi/elsewhere get really puzzled becuase i have a big goofy absent minded grin on my face a lot&#8230; &#8216;why does he smile this much?&#8217;</p>
<p>i would recommend watching the newwest indian advertisement for &#8216;happydent&#8217; gum - a bizzzare twist on both sub-coninental &#8217;smiling&#8217; and chris pinney&#8217;s camera indica&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ikram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ikram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's all about good teeth, innit?  American is a dental superpower, and the introduction of tooth whitening technolofy (the famed 'Revolution in Dental Affairs') has extended America's lead over the world, and even created in a significant dental gap (no pun intended) between the US and countries like Canada, which had previously been able to match the USA in toothsomeness.

Pakistanis don't floss, don't use mouthwash, don't wear braces in childhood, don't have electric toothbrishes, don't whiten, don't use waterpicks -- what do they have to smile about?  

Hairy Mango pits and sugarcane are not substitutes for flossing, and cardomom is not a breathfreshener.  Keep your yellowed teeth to yourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all about good teeth, innit?  American is a dental superpower, and the introduction of tooth whitening technolofy (the famed &#8216;Revolution in Dental Affairs&#8217;) has extended America&#8217;s lead over the world, and even created in a significant dental gap (no pun intended) between the US and countries like Canada, which had previously been able to match the USA in toothsomeness.</p>
<p>Pakistanis don&#8217;t floss, don&#8217;t use mouthwash, don&#8217;t wear braces in childhood, don&#8217;t have electric toothbrishes, don&#8217;t whiten, don&#8217;t use waterpicks &#8212; what do they have to smile about?  </p>
<p>Hairy Mango pits and sugarcane are not substitutes for flossing, and cardomom is not a breathfreshener.  Keep your yellowed teeth to yourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: dani</title>
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		<dc:creator>dani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the best is when the groom is frowning like a badass while wearing pink flowers AND TINSEL around his neck.  

so, ok, i know it's crazy, but just for the sake of science let's say that  it's occasionally possible for an american smile to be FELT and MEANT.   the question that plagued me most in the land of the pure was not, why aren't they smiling, but, what are they FEELING?  (since  my regular signposts - words and faces - were no longer reliable). let's set aside the smile of the Beloved for a moment (along with the arch of her eyebrow and her fragrant curl).  let's get down to brass tacks with ordinary internally mirthful, loving folks.  certainly non-smilers feel what i would consider to be smiley-feelings (love, happiness, a general bubbling over of warmth)  in at least some circumstances similar to those which make smilers smile.  i wonder how those feelings (where they come from, where they end up, the pictures they create or emerge from in the mind...) might  be different when they have no physical manifestation. 

i tried, as an experiment while in pakistan, to resist the upward tugging of mouth muscles when i felt a tiny leap of glee or a sweep of gratitude or appreciation (ok i'm not counting sitting in a chair being solemnly presented with wedding money by a string of aunties while the tv in the background blared the good, the bad and the ugly...).  in those situations not smiling felt much like holding in a sneeze, only harder.  

so...i guess for me the question is:  are the non-smilers holding back, are they stifling an impulse ?  (perhaps without much effort, having practiced from any early age.)  or, is the facial impulse simply not there, are the muscles not connected to the emotional center in the same way?  

there's gotta be a study....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the best is when the groom is frowning like a badass while wearing pink flowers AND TINSEL around his neck.  </p>
<p>so, ok, i know it&#8217;s crazy, but just for the sake of science let&#8217;s say that  it&#8217;s occasionally possible for an american smile to be FELT and MEANT.   the question that plagued me most in the land of the pure was not, why aren&#8217;t they smiling, but, what are they FEELING?  (since  my regular signposts - words and faces - were no longer reliable). let&#8217;s set aside the smile of the Beloved for a moment (along with the arch of her eyebrow and her fragrant curl).  let&#8217;s get down to brass tacks with ordinary internally mirthful, loving folks.  certainly non-smilers feel what i would consider to be smiley-feelings (love, happiness, a general bubbling over of warmth)  in at least some circumstances similar to those which make smilers smile.  i wonder how those feelings (where they come from, where they end up, the pictures they create or emerge from in the mind&#8230;) might  be different when they have no physical manifestation. </p>
<p>i tried, as an experiment while in pakistan, to resist the upward tugging of mouth muscles when i felt a tiny leap of glee or a sweep of gratitude or appreciation (ok i&#8217;m not counting sitting in a chair being solemnly presented with wedding money by a string of aunties while the tv in the background blared the good, the bad and the ugly&#8230;).  in those situations not smiling felt much like holding in a sneeze, only harder.  </p>
<p>so&#8230;i guess for me the question is:  are the non-smilers holding back, are they stifling an impulse ?  (perhaps without much effort, having practiced from any early age.)  or, is the facial impulse simply not there, are the muscles not connected to the emotional center in the same way?  </p>
<p>there&#8217;s gotta be a study&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm from the Midwest. I was raised by Southern Black people who believed in good manners which meant that you smile and greet people. I went to college in New York and everyone was aghast that I smiled and spoke to complete strangers. I guess I was raised by hopeful people. I really hate this idea that American smiles are so insincere. DARN IT! I smile because I want to. I smile because I'm feeling blessed to be living my life. I understand why some people aren't smiling. Of course, my angry look scares the hell out of everyone. I also get a lot of "angry Black woman" b-s from non-Black people. So, I can't win. And I'm trying to prepare for my travels around Southeast Asia, India, &#038; the Middle East by not smiling at people, especially males, but it is so hard because I'm happy to have the opportunity to travel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from the Midwest. I was raised by Southern Black people who believed in good manners which meant that you smile and greet people. I went to college in New York and everyone was aghast that I smiled and spoke to complete strangers. I guess I was raised by hopeful people. I really hate this idea that American smiles are so insincere. DARN IT! I smile because I want to. I smile because I&#8217;m feeling blessed to be living my life. I understand why some people aren&#8217;t smiling. Of course, my angry look scares the hell out of everyone. I also get a lot of &#8220;angry Black woman&#8221; b-s from non-Black people. So, I can&#8217;t win. And I&#8217;m trying to prepare for my travels around Southeast Asia, India, &#038; the Middle East by not smiling at people, especially males, but it is so hard because I&#8217;m happy to have the opportunity to travel.</p>
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		<title>By: omarazam</title>
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		<description>Do you think it might be a question of urban vs. rural Punjabis? Nobody smiles as much as Punjabis, so with Lahore it might be a metro thing. For example, you won't see much public smiling in NYC, considering it's in the smiley U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think it might be a question of urban vs. rural Punjabis? Nobody smiles as much as Punjabis, so with Lahore it might be a metro thing. For example, you won&#8217;t see much public smiling in NYC, considering it&#8217;s in the smiley U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: sepoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sepoy</dc:creator>
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		<description>dani: I don't think they are stifling mirth. It may be that the mirth that is different. Or that the first response upon meeting someone new is not "pleasure" but "deference". Not to mention, the 800lb. gorilla in this debate: the white "other" in the room. What if the natural impulse of mirth IS consciously stiffled because one has no way to calibrate it across cultural lines. I dunno, just shooting my mouth here. 

Also: for the record, I must state again that I do NOT think American smiles are sincere. That's silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dani: I don&#8217;t think they are stifling mirth. It may be that the mirth that is different. Or that the first response upon meeting someone new is not &#8220;pleasure&#8221; but &#8220;deference&#8221;. Not to mention, the 800lb. gorilla in this debate: the white &#8220;other&#8221; in the room. What if the natural impulse of mirth IS consciously stiffled because one has no way to calibrate it across cultural lines. I dunno, just shooting my mouth here. </p>
<p>Also: for the record, I must state again that I do NOT think American smiles are sincere. That&#8217;s silly.</p>
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