Comments on: Round Up VI

By: tsk

tsk — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:18:06 +0000

@cc: yeah, i’m sorry about that. my comment was made in the midst of a vicious hangover and i basically vented my spleen in an entirely inappropriate way all over sepoy’s forum. what i meant was something akin to: his position of power is buttressed by US money and arms, but i find it hard to believe he’s taking orders from directly from washington, which is how i read your comment.

kind of like giving somebody a sports car and then being blamed for his speeding ticket. “he’s the guy behind the wheel” vs. “what did you think he was going to do with it?”

By: akbar

akbar — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:24:08 +0000

Re .. i disagree with akbars view
Dear Musa, I hope I am wrong and all the leaders and public representatives can sit together and agree on a formula that meets needs and interests of people of all four probinces and keep arm and Beurocracy to their assigned constitutional duties.
However there is a long history backing my observation about JI, to highlight a few wxamples
1) When Yahya started military action in East Pakistan, JI AND ijt’ Badr FORCES WERE HELPING MILITARY BRUTALIZE bENGALIS
2) When Zia imposed Martial Law, JI from PNA platform accepted Ministerships and were parteners in ZIA’s crimes
3) Whrn Musharraf needed cover from Parliment, MMA helped him pass 17th amendment, the fruit of which we all are tasting now
I am still willing to give them benefit of doubt, but I am not overtly optimistic. My first hand experince with IJT WAS DURING MY YEARS AT kING Edward Medical college from 1981-1987,
It was a brutal Fascist organization operating in Lahore at that time. I feel Imran was lucky to emerge alive and not tortured and dead from their custody, but again time may have changed
regards

By: Sara

Sara — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:27:43 +0000

Everyone needs to unite and rally together to demand the release of Imran, lawyers, human rights activists and everyone who has been thrown into jail for standing up for justice. They were brave enough to speak out and fight for it and us. Now it is our turn to fight for them, have peaceful rallies, not just in Pakistan, but in UK and US, to put the current regime under pressure.

By: Musa Khan

Musa Khan — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:56:02 +0000

Hi guys ….. im Musa from Karachi PAKISTAN …. about the JI’s role in detaining Imran khan…. most of the JI leaders have condenmed it … but there are indications that there were some other elements that were involved in the arrest …. i disagree with akbars view ….. JI will not do such a thing …. and just so that u know …. these student bodies are pretty much independent …. i dont see y QAZI sahab would invite him and get him kicked out ….. Hafeez paracha of JI indicated that there were some intelligence personal amongst the crowd and some plain clothes men with some JI students who carried this out !!!!!

By: Zahid Chaudhry

Zahid Chaudhry — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:51:06 +0000

I just want to see that all educated people need to stand up against Musharaff and all the supporters of dictatorship….we are in 21St centutry, no one can oppress us any more…I am sure we will get our real freedom very soon

By: cc

cc — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:10:15 +0000

There’s anti-Americanism, and then there’s anti-Americanism, if that makes sense.

In an earlier thread, I was chided for saying Pakstan has been America’s puppet for years. We may disagree on the extent, but I think most in Pakistan and here agree that America has done its part to make the current situation what it is today. The U.S. is the one that helped fund the Musharraf regime (all for fighting terrorists, of course), and helped to enbolden the Taliban during the Cold War. That the consequences may have been unexpected is another matter. The U.S. never seems to understand there is a chain reaction to its decisions and actions.

But I don’t see that as anti-Americanism. I see that as stating facts. Of course, all this can lead to anti-Americanism, which is why world leaders must be careful about who they decide to get into bed with.

By: Jonathan Dresner

Jonathan Dresner — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:14:11 +0000

“Mentally and in my heart, I am not a dictator. In my heart, I have introduced democracy,”

That is such a Bush line. Makes me wonder if Musharaff is the test case….

By: akbar

akbar — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:42:24 +0000

Jawad; you do not need theories about Imran Khan arrest and JI role. JI is part of MMA which stands for Mullah Nilitary Alliance in Pakistani Political language.

By: Jawad

Jawad — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:34:37 +0000

OK just this once. I’ll take Zakaria out for a little tour of the drawing room, and then hog tie him to Thomas Friedman.

BTW, anyone have theories about why JI would help Musharraf hunt down Imran. Qazi sahib was just calling Muharraf a traitor.

Jawad