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	<description>what is the vertiginous chapati saying to me?</description>
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		<title>By: clash</title>
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		<dc:creator>clash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 06:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is US and now with Richard Holbrooke down in South Asia for restoring peace, the signs are ominous as he is a man who personally oversaw the disintegration of the Balkan states, especially Yugoslavia. 

As an Indian, who believes that all organised religions are criminal gangs, i am quite concerned about this development in Pakistan, even though i am shunned from the ground realities.

The last piece refereed in this write up by Fiaz Zafar is born clearly out of helplessness than it being a proposition for the Taliban. 
How come showing Islamic Channels will increase awareness in world affairs? 

So what will India do now? Will they guard their territory with a Israeli type of wall to protect them from these elements?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is US and now with Richard Holbrooke down in South Asia for restoring peace, the signs are ominous as he is a man who personally oversaw the disintegration of the Balkan states, especially Yugoslavia. </p>
<p>As an Indian, who believes that all organised religions are criminal gangs, i am quite concerned about this development in Pakistan, even though i am shunned from the ground realities.</p>
<p>The last piece refereed in this write up by Fiaz Zafar is born clearly out of helplessness than it being a proposition for the Taliban.<br />
How come showing Islamic Channels will increase awareness in world affairs? </p>
<p>So what will India do now? Will they guard their territory with a Israeli type of wall to protect them from these elements?</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Mullah Omar has told militants to stop f &#8230; Talk Islam</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Mullah Omar has told militants to stop f &#8230; Talk Islam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Also read Seopy&#8217;s review of readings on Swat. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Also read Seopy&#8217;s review of readings on Swat. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Qalandar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qalandar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A better piece than some recent ones:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/25/world/asia/25drones.html?_r=1&amp;ref=world</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A better piece than some recent ones:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/25/world/asia/25drones.html?_r=1&amp;ref=world" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/25/world/asia/25drones.html?_r=1&amp;ref=world</a></p>
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		<title>By: Breaking: Stupid Metaphors and Pundit Quibbling Threaten Af-Pak Stability &#171; The Stupidest Man on Earth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breaking: Stupid Metaphors and Pundit Quibbling Threaten Af-Pak Stability &#171; The Stupidest Man on Earth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] how you squeeze the damn thing, it will always burst where you least want it. Even if you try gently opening it to let the water out, you&#8217;ll most likely end up [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] how you squeeze the damn thing, it will always burst where you least want it. Even if you try gently opening it to let the water out, you&#8217;ll most likely end up [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tazeen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tazeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 06:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh Faiz Zafar&#039;s letter was such a poignant reminder of his helplessness and his attempt at appealing to Fazlullah, better judgment. the government has abandoned its own people, people like Zafar who are just bewildered and trying to make sense of their awful situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh Faiz Zafar&#8217;s letter was such a poignant reminder of his helplessness and his attempt at appealing to Fazlullah, better judgment. the government has abandoned its own people, people like Zafar who are just bewildered and trying to make sense of their awful situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Qalandar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qalandar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Zafar piece is tremendously moving, especially in contrast to Hanif&#039;s urbane snarkiness; part of the reason for its impact is that one is not able to decide whether Zafar is saying all that he can say for fear of going too far; or if Zafar himself subscribes to a rooted and conservative ethos that (all over the world) frets about being swept away in a tide of popular culture, TV, etc., and hearkens to &quot;revivalists&quot; as a consequence...Of course, one need not be able to &quot;decide&quot; anything in order to affirm the value of this piece...

Aside: the Bollywood fan/student in me cannot but remark upon the subversive potential of the Hindi film song; no other aspect of India, Indianness, etc., merits any mention in Zafar&#039;s piece, not even the Kashmir issue (and, I submit, the Pakistani government&#039;s decision to allow screening of Bollywood movies in theaters in Pakistan did more than many other measures to &quot;normalize&quot; relations; I fear that measure too has fallen casualty to the post-Mumbai attack sabre-rattling).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Zafar piece is tremendously moving, especially in contrast to Hanif&#8217;s urbane snarkiness; part of the reason for its impact is that one is not able to decide whether Zafar is saying all that he can say for fear of going too far; or if Zafar himself subscribes to a rooted and conservative ethos that (all over the world) frets about being swept away in a tide of popular culture, TV, etc., and hearkens to &#8220;revivalists&#8221; as a consequence&#8230;Of course, one need not be able to &#8220;decide&#8221; anything in order to affirm the value of this piece&#8230;</p>
<p>Aside: the Bollywood fan/student in me cannot but remark upon the subversive potential of the Hindi film song; no other aspect of India, Indianness, etc., merits any mention in Zafar&#8217;s piece, not even the Kashmir issue (and, I submit, the Pakistani government&#8217;s decision to allow screening of Bollywood movies in theaters in Pakistan did more than many other measures to &#8220;normalize&#8221; relations; I fear that measure too has fallen casualty to the post-Mumbai attack sabre-rattling).</p>
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		<title>By: Qalandar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qalandar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: rafia zakaria piece: &quot;In other words, if the anti-state force, one that has ruthlessly been destroying schools, ravaging the economy and attacking state installations, is itself made the state, then its power to subvert the state is automatically neutralised.&quot;

Recognizing the danger in twinning different situations, nevertheless other examples from the region might offer useful examples:

1.  Most accounts focus on the military counter-insurgency operations in Punjab in defeating the pro-Khalistan forces, but one should also spare a thought to good ol&#039; co-optation.  i.e. once the Akali Dal was itself normalized as a regional party analogous to other regional parties in India, to an extent the Khalistan movement always risked being coopted by the Indian state.

2.  In retrospect, the death of Tamil separatism in India was the victory of the Dravidian parties in the 1967 state elections (and the permanent eclipse of the Congress in that state after those elections).  From the Dravidian movement&#039;s perspective, the state was in fact different under the DMK than it had been under the Congress; that difference is undeniable, but equally, the &quot;insurgent&quot; parties themselves acquired an undeniable stake in the system -- making them necessarily less insurgent.

I stress that these are just provisional thoughts that don&#039;t have anything to say about Swat -- but they might offer scope for thinking about the nature of cooptation (as Zakaria seems to have).

Overall, while I found this a useful piece, I was a bit disturbed by Zakaria&#039;s suggestion that Taliban control of Swat is actually a strategy to make the population anti-Taliban in response to the oppression everyone knows will follow.  This seems cold (i.e. that someone might make this calculation doesn&#039;t surprise me; but why isn&#039;t Zakaria outraged by this cynicism?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: rafia zakaria piece: &#8220;In other words, if the anti-state force, one that has ruthlessly been destroying schools, ravaging the economy and attacking state installations, is itself made the state, then its power to subvert the state is automatically neutralised.&#8221;</p>
<p>Recognizing the danger in twinning different situations, nevertheless other examples from the region might offer useful examples:</p>
<p>1.  Most accounts focus on the military counter-insurgency operations in Punjab in defeating the pro-Khalistan forces, but one should also spare a thought to good ol&#8217; co-optation.  i.e. once the Akali Dal was itself normalized as a regional party analogous to other regional parties in India, to an extent the Khalistan movement always risked being coopted by the Indian state.</p>
<p>2.  In retrospect, the death of Tamil separatism in India was the victory of the Dravidian parties in the 1967 state elections (and the permanent eclipse of the Congress in that state after those elections).  From the Dravidian movement&#8217;s perspective, the state was in fact different under the DMK than it had been under the Congress; that difference is undeniable, but equally, the &#8220;insurgent&#8221; parties themselves acquired an undeniable stake in the system &#8212; making them necessarily less insurgent.</p>
<p>I stress that these are just provisional thoughts that don&#8217;t have anything to say about Swat &#8212; but they might offer scope for thinking about the nature of cooptation (as Zakaria seems to have).</p>
<p>Overall, while I found this a useful piece, I was a bit disturbed by Zakaria&#8217;s suggestion that Taliban control of Swat is actually a strategy to make the population anti-Taliban in response to the oppression everyone knows will follow.  This seems cold (i.e. that someone might make this calculation doesn&#8217;t surprise me; but why isn&#8217;t Zakaria outraged by this cynicism?)</p>
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		<title>By: Long Time Chapati Lover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Long Time Chapati Lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Hanif is a bit of an ass.  This cutesy-cutesy commentary will be popular in DHA, but it&#039;s the problem, isn&#039;t it, not the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Hanif is a bit of an ass.  This cutesy-cutesy commentary will be popular in DHA, but it&#8217;s the problem, isn&#8217;t it, not the solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Random thoughts on a Sunday &#171; erase and rewind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random thoughts on a Sunday &#171; erase and rewind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Also - the must read of the month has to be Mohammed Hanif&#8217;s satirical 7-point letter explaining why Shariah should be imposed on DHA. Its really best read in Urdu, but for those who can&#8217;t read the language - Chapati Mystery has an English translation up as well. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Also &#8211; the must read of the month has to be Mohammed Hanif&#8217;s satirical 7-point letter explaining why Shariah should be imposed on DHA. Its really best read in Urdu, but for those who can&#8217;t read the language &#8211; Chapati Mystery has an English translation up as well. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Link of the day! &#171; The World Has Stopped Spinning.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Link of the day! &#171; The World Has Stopped Spinning.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update: Chapati Mystery has an English translation of the piece, which you can read here [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 03:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religious lunacy seems to be order of the day here. Do they publicly stone people to death for listening to the radio ?? All these people is need is an A bomb to further their cause.
I find it a paradox that these primitive ideologies are willing to deny modernity, yet they are ready to take full advantage of what it has to offer. They think we are evil, I think they are just plain nuts.  Unfortunately, someone around here has &quot;kicked the Hornet&#039;s nest&quot; and now we must deal with all the raging bees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religious lunacy seems to be order of the day here. Do they publicly stone people to death for listening to the radio ?? All these people is need is an A bomb to further their cause.<br />
I find it a paradox that these primitive ideologies are willing to deny modernity, yet they are ready to take full advantage of what it has to offer. They think we are evil, I think they are just plain nuts.  Unfortunately, someone around here has &#8220;kicked the Hornet&#8217;s nest&#8221; and now we must deal with all the raging bees.</p>
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