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	<title>Comments on: On Clans and Communities</title>
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	<description>what is the vertiginous chapati saying to me?</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: saeed</title>
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		<dc:creator>saeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good piece of writing, clans are not as important nowadays as they used to be, personally my family is a siddiqi and i know three paternal aunts of my father all of whom were married to mirzas, and now a days even interracial marriages can be seen like pathans giving away their daughter to a punjabi, something that could not be imagined in previous eras, but again all these cases are from educated people. 
By the way in your intro you have said you have kashmiri origin which is not that of arain's</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good piece of writing, clans are not as important nowadays as they used to be, personally my family is a siddiqi and i know three paternal aunts of my father all of whom were married to mirzas, and now a days even interracial marriages can be seen like pathans giving away their daughter to a punjabi, something that could not be imagined in previous eras, but again all these cases are from educated people.<br />
By the way in your intro you have said you have kashmiri origin which is not that of arain&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: H.I</title>
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		<dc:creator>H.I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>true. i was never a believer in casts and i still not am.. and i can safely (and proudly) say that that is due to my parents who never let us indulge in such differences between humans...they taught us children in an atmosphere to respect each and everybody's induviduality...who ever they are..

i have been many times posed with the question of which cast i belonged to ..i always said i didnt know and didnt care that much.. and I in turn asked them "does it matter so much?" but ofcourse, curiosity killed the cat and inspite of myself i did wonder which cast i belonged to.. i was afraid to ask my parents that question for fear of reprimand.. but my oppurtunity opened when somebody else asked my father on a train journey and we were all there... "we're maliks" my father said.. and i heard! i dont know what rushed through me.. confusion i suppose.. i wondered what position maliks occupied in the social strata.. i didnt know that much about maliks anyway.. just chaudries who have been very popularised by the media :P ...and the only thing i knew abt them were that they were rich, property owning people in the punjab.. - im a laywoman to the cast subject! and so i came here to find out more..



i sooo agree with two statements in this article, it was as if the author took the wrods right out of my mouth --

"After all, one of the things that sets the Pakistanis (read Muslims) from the Indians (read Hindus) is that the former do NOT have a caste system. So, while the exultation of one’s blood lineage is good, one does not want appear as if our society is stratified and calcified by birth stations."

AND:

“Oh, he is a Malik” is enough to introduce a thumbnail sketch of a person’s character, likely occupation."

--to just generalize everybody in a single body limits your possibilities soo much, and i hated that idea.



Ofcourse, i still hold by my belief of not believing in casts...my family is definetly very flexible and proud of they are.. :) ..maliks, chaudries who cares? :) if you can make a place in society for yourslef, you're just as good as anybody!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>true. i was never a believer in casts and i still not am.. and i can safely (and proudly) say that that is due to my parents who never let us indulge in such differences between humans&#8230;they taught us children in an atmosphere to respect each and everybody&#8217;s induviduality&#8230;who ever they are..</p>
<p>i have been many times posed with the question of which cast i belonged to ..i always said i didnt know and didnt care that much.. and I in turn asked them &#8220;does it matter so much?&#8221; but ofcourse, curiosity killed the cat and inspite of myself i did wonder which cast i belonged to.. i was afraid to ask my parents that question for fear of reprimand.. but my oppurtunity opened when somebody else asked my father on a train journey and we were all there&#8230; &#8220;we&#8217;re maliks&#8221; my father said.. and i heard! i dont know what rushed through me.. confusion i suppose.. i wondered what position maliks occupied in the social strata.. i didnt know that much about maliks anyway.. just chaudries who have been very popularised by the media :P &#8230;and the only thing i knew abt them were that they were rich, property owning people in the punjab.. - im a laywoman to the cast subject! and so i came here to find out more..</p>
<p>i sooo agree with two statements in this article, it was as if the author took the wrods right out of my mouth &#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;After all, one of the things that sets the Pakistanis (read Muslims) from the Indians (read Hindus) is that the former do NOT have a caste system. So, while the exultation of one’s blood lineage is good, one does not want appear as if our society is stratified and calcified by birth stations.&#8221;</p>
<p>AND:</p>
<p>“Oh, he is a Malik” is enough to introduce a thumbnail sketch of a person’s character, likely occupation.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;to just generalize everybody in a single body limits your possibilities soo much, and i hated that idea.</p>
<p>Ofcourse, i still hold by my belief of not believing in casts&#8230;my family is definetly very flexible and proud of they are.. :) ..maliks, chaudries who cares? :) if you can make a place in society for yourslef, you&#8217;re just as good as anybody!</p>
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		<title>By: MayHa</title>
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		<dc:creator>MayHa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So SAD but true...and since i come fresh from that oven i can tell you that these "prefrences" leech onto us even if we don't subscribe to this highly sratified view. i recently met someone and in spite of myself ended up asking them "what" they were...when met with confusion from their side i was forced to elaborate-" you know what i mean, are you kashmiri, punjabi, pathan, etc, etc." Said individual turned out to be a Hashimite also apparently from amongst the ppl who accompanied Muhammed Bin Qasim on his boat...must have been one hell of a boat. heh- so i was saying that even though I dont want to be that person, as in the person who wants to know where you're from- me and many others like me have been socialized to NEED to know. and so we ask...we're such slaves to socialization. it is SAD ~;(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So SAD but true&#8230;and since i come fresh from that oven i can tell you that these &#8220;prefrences&#8221; leech onto us even if we don&#8217;t subscribe to this highly sratified view. i recently met someone and in spite of myself ended up asking them &#8220;what&#8221; they were&#8230;when met with confusion from their side i was forced to elaborate-&#8221; you know what i mean, are you kashmiri, punjabi, pathan, etc, etc.&#8221; Said individual turned out to be a Hashimite also apparently from amongst the ppl who accompanied Muhammed Bin Qasim on his boat&#8230;must have been one hell of a boat. heh- so i was saying that even though I dont want to be that person, as in the person who wants to know where you&#8217;re from- me and many others like me have been socialized to NEED to know. and so we ask&#8230;we&#8217;re such slaves to socialization. it is SAD ~;(</p>
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