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	<description>what is the vertiginous chapati saying to me?</description>
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		<title>By: desesperanto</title>
		<link>http://www.chapatimystery.com/archives/homistan/jungle_cat_gone.html#comment-1537</link>
		<dc:creator>desesperanto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also find Veerappan an interesting figure, but not because he's an anachronism from another time-space.  (Wasn't it the Brits whom Thugs had a mythic hold on?)  But he had a sense of morality and political strategy for a "loathsome criminal":

Veerappan &lt;a href="http://www.dalitstan.org/tamil/veera001.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;makes&lt;/a&gt; , throughout the text, an impassioned plea against any form of violence that is unmediated by a sense of justice. The most revealing instance is his advice to those who practise politics of militancy: 'You plant bombs in buses, in roads, in houses. Who get killed? Women and Children. Two-year, four-year old children, with their limb being tore away, cry out for their parents. My heart burns. This is not right. It is sinful. Poor like us get killed... If we too kill people who are already tormented and murdered by the police and the government, what will be their fate?'

I have nothing positive to hope for from RGV's Veerappan bio or from a Sholay remake.  But I have heard good things about Chhal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also find Veerappan an interesting figure, but not because he&#8217;s an anachronism from another time-space.  (Wasn&#8217;t it the Brits whom Thugs had a mythic hold on?)  But he had a sense of morality and political strategy for a &#8220;loathsome criminal&#8221;:</p>
<p>Veerappan <a href="http://www.dalitstan.org/tamil/veera001.html" rel="nofollow">makes</a> , throughout the text, an impassioned plea against any form of violence that is unmediated by a sense of justice. The most revealing instance is his advice to those who practise politics of militancy: &#8216;You plant bombs in buses, in roads, in houses. Who get killed? Women and Children. Two-year, four-year old children, with their limb being tore away, cry out for their parents. My heart burns. This is not right. It is sinful. Poor like us get killed&#8230; If we too kill people who are already tormented and murdered by the police and the government, what will be their fate?&#8217;</p>
<p>I have nothing positive to hope for from RGV&#8217;s Veerappan bio or from a Sholay remake.  But I have heard good things about Chhal.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajju</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ajju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And on a tangent from the article you linked, I recommend "Ab tak 56" if you haven't seen it yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And on a tangent from the article you linked, I recommend &#8220;Ab tak 56&#8243; if you haven&#8217;t seen it yet.</p>
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		<title>By: thatshortkid</title>
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		<dc:creator>thatshortkid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, i'm sorry, call me a rude american pig with no respect for other cultures.... but &lt;i&gt;Thugees&lt;/i&gt; sounds like a diaper for baby gangstas.

speaking of which, Veerappan sounds like he was pretty badass, in a Robin Hood kind of way. but who did he kill? why did he kill elephants? where did all the money go? how did he maintain such a killer 'stache?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, i&#8217;m sorry, call me a rude american pig with no respect for other cultures&#8230;. but <i>Thugees</i> sounds like a diaper for baby gangstas.</p>
<p>speaking of which, Veerappan sounds like he was pretty badass, in a Robin Hood kind of way. but who did he kill? why did he kill elephants? where did all the money go? how did he maintain such a killer &#8217;stache?</p>
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		<title>By: sepoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sepoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>desesperanto: The morality of dacoits is always suspect as it is hard for me to separate some higher good in a criminal responsible for killing people and endangered animals no matter how attuned he was to the suffering of the downtrodden.
Ajju: I haven't seen Ab tak 56 but now I will. Thanks.
tsk: You rude american pig, not diapers but silk scarves. i see a post on thugees comin! Maintenance of the 'Stache is a cosmic mystery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>desesperanto: The morality of dacoits is always suspect as it is hard for me to separate some higher good in a criminal responsible for killing people and endangered animals no matter how attuned he was to the suffering of the downtrodden.<br />
Ajju: I haven&#8217;t seen Ab tak 56 but now I will. Thanks.<br />
tsk: You rude american pig, not diapers but silk scarves. i see a post on thugees comin! Maintenance of the &#8216;Stache is a cosmic mystery.</p>
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		<title>By: thatshortkid</title>
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		<dc:creator>thatshortkid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hehehe..... it was just the sound and connotations in my capitalist pig mind, that's all. 

thanks for updating re: the 'stache. but my question still is: where did the profits go? there have been a lot of 'freedom fighters' that supposedly took from the rich on behalf of the poor but really were corrupt and power/money hungry. hugo chavez in venezuela is a perfect example of that. i'm wondering if the 120 people he killed were just workers guarding for the more powerful, which if it were the case, wouldn't put him on much higher moral ground than those that 'plant bombs in buses'.

not to knock the guy. i hope my suspicions are invalid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehehe&#8230;.. it was just the sound and connotations in my capitalist pig mind, that&#8217;s all. </p>
<p>thanks for updating re: the &#8217;stache. but my question still is: where did the profits go? there have been a lot of &#8216;freedom fighters&#8217; that supposedly took from the rich on behalf of the poor but really were corrupt and power/money hungry. hugo chavez in venezuela is a perfect example of that. i&#8217;m wondering if the 120 people he killed were just workers guarding for the more powerful, which if it were the case, wouldn&#8217;t put him on much higher moral ground than those that &#8216;plant bombs in buses&#8217;.</p>
<p>not to knock the guy. i hope my suspicions are invalid.</p>
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		<title>By: desesperanto</title>
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		<dc:creator>desesperanto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The morality of dacoits is always suspect as it is hard for me to separate some higher good in a criminal responsible for killing people and endangered animals no matter how attuned he was to the suffering of the downtrodden.&lt;/i&gt;

You've misread me.  I'd go on, but if you prefer to regard V. as a camp figure and object of moral disgust rather than consider what his appeal was to us, I won't detain you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The morality of dacoits is always suspect as it is hard for me to separate some higher good in a criminal responsible for killing people and endangered animals no matter how attuned he was to the suffering of the downtrodden.</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;ve misread me.  I&#8217;d go on, but if you prefer to regard V. as a camp figure and object of moral disgust rather than consider what his appeal was to us, I won&#8217;t detain you.</p>
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		<title>By: sepoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sepoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deseperanto: I &lt;b&gt;am&lt;/b&gt; holding him as a camp figure but not as an object of moral disgust. I do not have any greater moral issue with him than I would with any other dacoit or marauder. Obviously, he had a larger-than-life presence in Tamil-land and mass appeal. Still, I cannot find any nuance in the position you quoted. I see what he is saying, I agree with what he is saying but I have to counter balance that with his actions.

Now the truth of the matter is that in the case of someone like Veerappan or Madonna, the persona is more "real" than real. The trope of a dacoit as the outlier tragic figure in south asian mythology is quite well documented. Veerappan fed entirely into that trope and his "appeal" to the masses was priviliged on it. Hence, the futility of the government to bring about his demise. 

That is just how I see it way the heck from the outside. But I have never lived in the area or talked to the people or read the local press or listened to the popular memory. I am very interested in what you can say about him. Perhaps you can answer tsk's question as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deseperanto: I <b>am</b> holding him as a camp figure but not as an object of moral disgust. I do not have any greater moral issue with him than I would with any other dacoit or marauder. Obviously, he had a larger-than-life presence in Tamil-land and mass appeal. Still, I cannot find any nuance in the position you quoted. I see what he is saying, I agree with what he is saying but I have to counter balance that with his actions.</p>
<p>Now the truth of the matter is that in the case of someone like Veerappan or Madonna, the persona is more &#8220;real&#8221; than real. The trope of a dacoit as the outlier tragic figure in south asian mythology is quite well documented. Veerappan fed entirely into that trope and his &#8220;appeal&#8221; to the masses was priviliged on it. Hence, the futility of the government to bring about his demise. </p>
<p>That is just how I see it way the heck from the outside. But I have never lived in the area or talked to the people or read the local press or listened to the popular memory. I am very interested in what you can say about him. Perhaps you can answer tsk&#8217;s question as well.</p>
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		<title>By: desesperanto</title>
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		<dc:creator>desesperanto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I am holding him as a camp figure &lt;/i&gt;

And I think that's really pretty snotty for a scholar.  I guess it must be nice to view V's as an instance of type dacoit and a moustache joke, rather than thinking of the relationship btw the state and the disenfrancised, the Dalit critique of environmentalism, caste, TADA, ltte, naxalites, Thamizhness, etc.  I'll leave it there because honestly, anything else I say will come off as rude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am holding him as a camp figure </i></p>
<p>And I think that&#8217;s really pretty snotty for a scholar.  I guess it must be nice to view V&#8217;s as an instance of type dacoit and a moustache joke, rather than thinking of the relationship btw the state and the disenfrancised, the Dalit critique of environmentalism, caste, TADA, ltte, naxalites, Thamizhness, etc.  I&#8217;ll leave it there because honestly, anything else I say will come off as rude.</p>
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		<title>By: sepoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sepoy</dc:creator>
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		<description>I don't think it is particularly snotty just ignorant. Like I said, I have little knowledge of him beside what I have read in popular western press where he IS a camp figure. Hence, my request for you to tell me more. I was being quiet earnest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it is particularly snotty just ignorant. Like I said, I have little knowledge of him beside what I have read in popular western press where he IS a camp figure. Hence, my request for you to tell me more. I was being quiet earnest.</p>
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		<title>By: zainab</title>
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		<dc:creator>zainab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>though i know it might be a little late for me to be writing a comment on this story i think i'll go ahead and do it anyway. I find it extremely interesting that the Globe and Mail, a newspaper in Toronto reported the capture of varappan however did so inacurately. He was reportedly captured by a Mr. something something, the truth comes out a week later in an article apoligizing for delivering false information. Verappan was actually captured by a female officer. So much for pre-concieved notions and expectations of femininity and masculinity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>though i know it might be a little late for me to be writing a comment on this story i think i&#8217;ll go ahead and do it anyway. I find it extremely interesting that the Globe and Mail, a newspaper in Toronto reported the capture of varappan however did so inacurately. He was reportedly captured by a Mr. something something, the truth comes out a week later in an article apoligizing for delivering false information. Verappan was actually captured by a female officer. So much for pre-concieved notions and expectations of femininity and masculinity!</p>
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		<title>By: The Acorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Acorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ladies and Gentlemen, we got him&lt;/strong&gt;

India's very own October surprise


Tamil Nadu police have shot Koose Muniswamy Veerappan dead. One of India's most wanted criminals has finally been dispatched to meet his maker.

In this age of terrorism and suicide-bombing, Veerappan's sanda...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Ladies and Gentlemen, we got him</strong></p>
<p>India&#8217;s very own October surprise</p>
<p>Tamil Nadu police have shot Koose Muniswamy Veerappan dead. One of India&#8217;s most wanted criminals has finally been dispatched to meet his maker.</p>
<p>In this age of terrorism and suicide-bombing, Veerappan&#8217;s sanda&#8230;</p>
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