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	<description>what is the vertiginous chapati saying to me?</description>
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		<title>By: Syed Zohair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syed Zohair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ASAK

I believe Faiz sahab , Manto sahab were those who wrote what they felt. in words of manto sahab..&quot;may nay is muashray ko nanga paaya...to may nay woh hee likhaa jo dekhaa&quot;....(i have found this society nude, so i wrote which i saw.)...i believe our parents put a ban on these writers becoz in their time they have found these writers odd and there is always a subliminal environment against the odd. We like them becoz we read them as un biased reader. definitely part of communish and fuhush is not absent in this literature but i feel becoz we see much higher fuhush and nude society so its acceptable literature to us...
definitely these guys were great and their work is still toooo good un matachable.
 i also suggest if anybody would like to read than read Ghulan Abbas specially &quot; Anandi&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASAK</p>
<p>I believe Faiz sahab , Manto sahab were those who wrote what they felt. in words of manto sahab..&#8221;may nay is muashray ko nanga paaya&#8230;to may nay woh hee likhaa jo dekhaa&#8221;&#8230;.(i have found this society nude, so i wrote which i saw.)&#8230;i believe our parents put a ban on these writers becoz in their time they have found these writers odd and there is always a subliminal environment against the odd. We like them becoz we read them as un biased reader. definitely part of communish and fuhush is not absent in this literature but i feel becoz we see much higher fuhush and nude society so its acceptable literature to us&#8230;<br />
definitely these guys were great and their work is still toooo good un matachable.<br />
 i also suggest if anybody would like to read than read Ghulan Abbas specially &#8221; Anandi&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Qalandar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qalandar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read as widely in Faiz as I should have, but two poems really stand out for me: &quot;Heart Attack&quot; and &quot;Subh-e-Azaadi&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read as widely in Faiz as I should have, but two poems really stand out for me: &#8220;Heart Attack&#8221; and &#8220;Subh-e-Azaadi&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i love faiz, and &lt;i&gt;ham dekhain gay&lt;/i&gt; is one of my favourites, so i had to add my two pence worth.



there&#039;s a stunning (live) rendition of this by Iqbal Bano that you have to listen to, if you haven&#039;t heard it already. it&#039;s linked to at this post -

http://www.streetphotos.net/blog/index.php/archives/2005/05/13/hum-dekhain-gaay/



another faiz favourite of mine is &lt;i&gt;nisar mein teri galiyon pe&lt;/i&gt;



&lt;i&gt;jo tujh se ahd-e-wafa ustavar rakhtay hain

ilaaj-e-gardish-layl-o-nahaar rakhte hain&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i love faiz, and <i>ham dekhain gay</i> is one of my favourites, so i had to add my two pence worth.</p>
<p>there&#8217;s a stunning (live) rendition of this by Iqbal Bano that you have to listen to, if you haven&#8217;t heard it already. it&#8217;s linked to at this post -</p>
<p><a href="http://www.streetphotos.net/blog/index.php/archives/2005/05/13/hum-dekhain-gaay/" rel="nofollow">http://www.streetphotos.net/blog/index.php/archives/2005/05/13/hum-dekhain-gaay/</a></p>
<p>another faiz favourite of mine is <i>nisar mein teri galiyon pe</i></p>
<p><i>jo tujh se ahd-e-wafa ustavar rakhtay hain</p>
<p>ilaaj-e-gardish-layl-o-nahaar rakhte hain</i></p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my favorite poems of Faiz, I have it written in my diary.

I also brought Nuskha Hai Wafa with me to the US. In my case though, it was mine.

Oh, and same experience with parents regarding godless communism and Faiz and fahashi and Manto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my favorite poems of Faiz, I have it written in my diary.</p>
<p>I also brought Nuskha Hai Wafa with me to the US. In my case though, it was mine.</p>
<p>Oh, and same experience with parents regarding godless communism and Faiz and fahashi and Manto.</p>
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		<title>By: danial</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents didn&#039;t think that Faiz and Manto were godless communists but my mom still thinks that Manto&#039;s stories are fuhush. I think that we are lucky that we read Faiz when we were young and I feel sad for today&#039;s Pakistani youth, majority of them are totally ignorant of his works and life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents didn&#8217;t think that Faiz and Manto were godless communists but my mom still thinks that Manto&#8217;s stories are fuhush. I think that we are lucky that we read Faiz when we were young and I feel sad for today&#8217;s Pakistani youth, majority of them are totally ignorant of his works and life.</p>
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		<title>By: sepoy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are even related to Faiz from some Sialkoti connection but not even that gave him the seal of approval. Although, amma did discover my copy of &lt;i&gt;Dast-e Saba&lt;/i&gt; and she still has it and I think she likes it a lot. 
I don&#039;t know about Pakistani youth but Faiz is one of the topmost Urdu poets (if not THE topmost) getting translated into English. Especially the work of the late, great Agha Shahid Ali.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are even related to Faiz from some Sialkoti connection but not even that gave him the seal of approval. Although, amma did discover my copy of <i>Dast-e Saba</i> and she still has it and I think she likes it a lot.<br />
I don&#8217;t know about Pakistani youth but Faiz is one of the topmost Urdu poets (if not THE topmost) getting translated into English. Especially the work of the late, great Agha Shahid Ali.</p>
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		<title>By: Aamir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aamir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On my 17th birthday shahzad amin gave me a book of &quot;Faraz&quot; whom he had never read.  my father had read it, though, and he asked me, Who gave you this book? and in his eyes i saw something other than just  curiosity..................... later i found out that we two actually share the dislike for the poet ,although for different reasons. i found &quot;Faraz&quot; too loud, superficial and blunt. shahzad amin&#039;s literary ignorance and  sohail ahmad&#039;s social intellect simultaneously pushed and pulled me towards the the phenomena called &quot;Faiz&quot; and i was never strong enough to get out of it .i have lived faiz, lost in the sounds and colours of  his world. Munir Niazi is the only  contemporary voice i can hear or the color i can distinguish from him.
Manto&#039;s name still gives smoke in our house hold,and smells like burning feathers.
My pain is opposite that of Danial&#039;s, cuz i think Faiz, like anything else has recently been turned into pop,cliche or trend.....whatever you call it....i mean something which would make your feet dance but never get to your heart.Have you never seen his picture in Syed Noor&#039;s room?Now he is the poet of Musharaf, Nirma and Mushahid(karachi university)...........and me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On my 17th birthday shahzad amin gave me a book of &#8220;Faraz&#8221; whom he had never read.  my father had read it, though, and he asked me, Who gave you this book? and in his eyes i saw something other than just  curiosity&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; later i found out that we two actually share the dislike for the poet ,although for different reasons. i found &#8220;Faraz&#8221; too loud, superficial and blunt. shahzad amin&#8217;s literary ignorance and  sohail ahmad&#8217;s social intellect simultaneously pushed and pulled me towards the the phenomena called &#8220;Faiz&#8221; and i was never strong enough to get out of it .i have lived faiz, lost in the sounds and colours of  his world. Munir Niazi is the only  contemporary voice i can hear or the color i can distinguish from him.<br />
Manto&#8217;s name still gives smoke in our house hold,and smells like burning feathers.<br />
My pain is opposite that of Danial&#8217;s, cuz i think Faiz, like anything else has recently been turned into pop,cliche or trend&#8230;..whatever you call it&#8230;.i mean something which would make your feet dance but never get to your heart.Have you never seen his picture in Syed Noor&#8217;s room?Now he is the poet of Musharaf, Nirma and Mushahid(karachi university)&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..and me.</p>
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		<title>By: Naveed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naveed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The act of translating is really mark of  dedication. A great translation indeed. Faiz was committed to Socialism and Pakistani intelligensia labelled him as &quot;godless communist&quot; but would you expect such a person to utter these words &#039;buss naam rahay ga allah ka&#039;. Faiz reinvents himself and his body of work does not seem &quot;dated&quot; to a specific era. Yes, this was the only book by my bedside in the US for so many years and the EMI tapes playing in the car stereo. A truly surreal experience to listen to Faiz on a desolate US highway. 

I had overcome homesickness. One trains the heart to closet these thoughts of folks backhome to a dark corner that you try very hard not to visit. Its a tough task but sometimes you feel that you have succeeded. Then you read Faiz and the relentless deluge unleashes when you read/hear &quot;kar rahaa thaa ghum-e-jahan ka hisaab, aaj tum yaad bay-hisaab ayay&quot; 

I agree with Aamir and respect his comments on Faraz because his diction is so different from Faiz but you can revel in their poetry by seeing Faraz as an unabashed lover and Faiz as a hopeless (or hopeful) romantic. If I can just put forward one suggestion. Faraz is difficult to read (and a bit expensive) because his collection is in several publications. Faiz&#039;s kalam is encapsulated in his single nuskha-hai-vafa. This makes the reading experience a lot different between these poets. I do feel going back to Faiz more often than any other poet. As long as we are talking bedside reading I also have Zehra Nighah, Jon Elya, Nasir Kazmi and Munir Niazi. Rgds Naveed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The act of translating is really mark of  dedication. A great translation indeed. Faiz was committed to Socialism and Pakistani intelligensia labelled him as &#8220;godless communist&#8221; but would you expect such a person to utter these words &#8216;buss naam rahay ga allah ka&#8217;. Faiz reinvents himself and his body of work does not seem &#8220;dated&#8221; to a specific era. Yes, this was the only book by my bedside in the US for so many years and the EMI tapes playing in the car stereo. A truly surreal experience to listen to Faiz on a desolate US highway. </p>
<p>I had overcome homesickness. One trains the heart to closet these thoughts of folks backhome to a dark corner that you try very hard not to visit. Its a tough task but sometimes you feel that you have succeeded. Then you read Faiz and the relentless deluge unleashes when you read/hear &#8220;kar rahaa thaa ghum-e-jahan ka hisaab, aaj tum yaad bay-hisaab ayay&#8221; </p>
<p>I agree with Aamir and respect his comments on Faraz because his diction is so different from Faiz but you can revel in their poetry by seeing Faraz as an unabashed lover and Faiz as a hopeless (or hopeful) romantic. If I can just put forward one suggestion. Faraz is difficult to read (and a bit expensive) because his collection is in several publications. Faiz&#8217;s kalam is encapsulated in his single nuskha-hai-vafa. This makes the reading experience a lot different between these poets. I do feel going back to Faiz more often than any other poet. As long as we are talking bedside reading I also have Zehra Nighah, Jon Elya, Nasir Kazmi and Munir Niazi. Rgds Naveed</p>
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		<title>By: s¯nee</title>
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		<dc:creator>s¯nee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Faiz is also our Nani&#039;s chachu!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faiz is also our Nani&#8217;s chachu!!</p>
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		<title>By: sepoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sepoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Faraz, I tend to agree with Aamir that he is a bit too mechanical for me. N. M. Rashid is someone I discovered in grad school and am quickly starting to really admire. Nasir Kazmi was Aamir&#039;s present to me and his rhythmic cadenzas and sparse language still brings a smile to me. Although his politics is a bit messy. 
SonY: Nani&#039;s Chachu? What does that make him? Our great grandfather? He wasnt THAT old!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Faraz, I tend to agree with Aamir that he is a bit too mechanical for me. N. M. Rashid is someone I discovered in grad school and am quickly starting to really admire. Nasir Kazmi was Aamir&#8217;s present to me and his rhythmic cadenzas and sparse language still brings a smile to me. Although his politics is a bit messy.<br />
SonY: Nani&#8217;s Chachu? What does that make him? Our great grandfather? He wasnt THAT old!</p>
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		<title>By: Aijaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aijaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a Pakistani expat (anymore) and I am not going to recount all of those moments when I connected with Faiz&#039;s poetry.

These few lines are to relive the memories of Sepoy and me sitting in our east third street apartment reciting Faiz and talking about home. I miss you man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a Pakistani expat (anymore) and I am not going to recount all of those moments when I connected with Faiz&#8217;s poetry.</p>
<p>These few lines are to relive the memories of Sepoy and me sitting in our east third street apartment reciting Faiz and talking about home. I miss you man!</p>
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		<title>By: Ejaz Asi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ejaz Asi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just in hurry. Just wanted to ask you guys if all of you have seen &quot;Faiz Ahmad Faiz - Aj K naam&quot; a must have CD-Rom for any of the fan of Faiz sab.? If not, I would like to do something about it. It&#039;s no more in market and the guys at Enabling technologies don&#039;t seem to be interested (Remember their CEO, jehan Ara is busy straightening out PASHA) but I think I can do something about it. It&#039;s really worth keeping it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just in hurry. Just wanted to ask you guys if all of you have seen &#8220;Faiz Ahmad Faiz &#8211; Aj K naam&#8221; a must have CD-Rom for any of the fan of Faiz sab.? If not, I would like to do something about it. It&#8217;s no more in market and the guys at Enabling technologies don&#8217;t seem to be interested (Remember their CEO, jehan Ara is busy straightening out PASHA) but I think I can do something about it. It&#8217;s really worth keeping it.</p>
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		<title>By: sepoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sepoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I haven&#039;t. But google tells me that you &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eruditiononline.com/06.04/faiz_ahmad_faiz.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reviewed&lt;/a&gt; it. Looks VERY interesting. Do tell more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I haven&#8217;t. But google tells me that you <a href="http://www.eruditiononline.com/06.04/faiz_ahmad_faiz.htm" rel="nofollow">reviewed</a> it. Looks VERY interesting. Do tell more.</p>
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		<title>By: Ejaz Asi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ejaz Asi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google is sometimes very moronic indeed. Recently, I have discovered many bad things about it. No, they are not about privacy or any other worries. It&#039;s just that it keeps sending right people at wrong places and vice versa. Of course many other people are responsible for that.
anyways, I hope to complete that review soon :$ and wish to share the original CD with as many as possible. As I said, it&#039;s out of printing and Enabling Technologies have no interest in it whatsoever. Something&#039;s got to be done from under the tables, you know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google is sometimes very moronic indeed. Recently, I have discovered many bad things about it. No, they are not about privacy or any other worries. It&#8217;s just that it keeps sending right people at wrong places and vice versa. Of course many other people are responsible for that.<br />
anyways, I hope to complete that review soon :$ and wish to share the original CD with as many as possible. As I said, it&#8217;s out of printing and Enabling Technologies have no interest in it whatsoever. Something&#8217;s got to be done from under the tables, you know!</p>
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		<title>By: meherban</title>
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		<description>Jany ka nahin shor sukhan ka mere hargiz                                            Ta hashr zamanay main mera deewan rahaga.                                                                                                                                            i wonder if Mir had read Faiz might have he said the same for him as well??????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jany ka nahin shor sukhan ka mere hargiz                                            Ta hashr zamanay main mera deewan rahaga.                                                                                                                                            i wonder if Mir had read Faiz might have he said the same for him as well??????</p>
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		<title>By: Shariq Faraz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shariq Faraz</dc:creator>
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		<description>I think its unfair to label Saadat Ali Manto as an author of lewdity alone, if one reads carefully stories like &quot;Kali Shalwar&quot; and &quot;Thanda Gosht&quot; they starkly portray the sheer pain and anguish of their time. I have read translated work of Manto and found in his work a craftsmanship of excellent observation and art of story telling. No wonder he inspire current geniuses of story narration like Rushdie. 
Although a big fan of Faraz but even with my loyalties towards him can&#039;t compare him to Ghalib or Iqbal genre. Faiz has always revoked my submissive Islamic spirit but apart from that his romantic poetry is class apart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its unfair to label Saadat Ali Manto as an author of lewdity alone, if one reads carefully stories like &#8220;Kali Shalwar&#8221; and &#8220;Thanda Gosht&#8221; they starkly portray the sheer pain and anguish of their time. I have read translated work of Manto and found in his work a craftsmanship of excellent observation and art of story telling. No wonder he inspire current geniuses of story narration like Rushdie.<br />
Although a big fan of Faraz but even with my loyalties towards him can&#8217;t compare him to Ghalib or Iqbal genre. Faiz has always revoked my submissive Islamic spirit but apart from that his romantic poetry is class apart.</p>
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